The Avalon Chronicles

Game Master lynora

No one ever notices Michael. He doesn't show his ablities at all.
But yeah, he can copy any three characters special ablity. So, IMO, he makes the Charecter who he copied from completely redundant and pointless. I saw this, but never said anything, because of one reason- i had already been chastised about ****ing about ace.

lynora wrote:

Lord Foul II wrote:

Capt Wombat wrote:

Lord Foul II wrote:

Dude that would leave me with a gran dotal of 3 possible classes out of the several dozen classes... And further restrict my choices within those classes

You taking up the wager or not, sounds like fail before start to me.

Looks like T was right

not here it's a magic school, we already have one non magic, dude and a mega monk, I don't like replaying used stuff

Non-magical can come in as many varieties and flavors as magical....it just takes creativity.

i prefer to not have the niche filled

And yeah to make a primary melee character
I'd go with sbjurant champion/swiftblade/sorcerer/swashbuckler

No offense, but that's not that great a combo. You're usually better off picking something and focusing on it. You multiclass too much. It's a common optimizing mistake. It doesn't actually do what you hope it will in any game that cares about the rules at all.

I just want breakfast with ignace

I'm powerful enough

Oh, and Dami, you're right about the racial thing in any game but this one. I do not penalize PCs with monstrous races. And honestly no one can even tell the difference in power level in this game. But it's an unusual set up as we all know.

I don't get insane skils bonuses. Or copy class features. And what I copy it still at only 8th level in power.

Plus, Kitty would kill me if I did anything like wipe the floor with some.

I like living.

sbjurant champion/swiftblade/sorcerer/swashbuckler

Dave I think Tybalt wins again

I'd take swashbuckler for 16 levels and take swift-blade and adjutant champion to modify sorcerer

What would it take for you to play a 16fighter/16cavalier?
Would it take me doing for you to do that?

What would it take for you to play a 16fighter/16cavalier?

Would it take me doing for you to do that?

It's impossible to get him to play a non-caster.

I actually have a fighter/cavalier in the works. ;)

Dammit FCD. I might've had him with that one. >_<

In an non gestalt campaign I would probably play swashbuckler

The bets still on Lyn said, there are other classes,
But I think Tybalt you win the $1 Dave seems not to be able to play, none magic PCs.

That is unless Dave can make something with in Tybalts rules.

Rules for Dave

No Casting.
No Psionics.
No Spell likes [SU/EX]
No Tech spell type stuff.

But two Items Tybalt??

The bets still on Lyn said, there are other classes,

But I think Tybalt you win the $1 Dave seems not to be able to play, none magic PCs.

That is unless Dave can make something with in Tybalts rules.

Rules for Dave

No Casting.
No Psionics.
No Spell likes [SU/EX]
No Tech spell type stuff.

But two Items Tybalt??

To be fair, (Ex) abilities aren't spells-- they could be Wings, or Burrowing.

Just to throw that in. :)

Ace and Michael may have similar concepts, but their personalities seem to be worlds apart.

Ace is pretty much my real life persona. I can be an arrogant prick, often telling people I'm the best in the world, the greatest of all time, or my new favorite "being around me makes you a better person." I'm also the Captain Doctor of Awesome, and if this year plays out the way I hope it will, I well end the year as the Lord High Captain General of Awesome, PhD.

But, I'm incredibly loyal to my friends, and it takes an awful lot for me to truly turn my back on somebody. When my best friend pretty much stole a bunch of money from me, due to her a@$~~#$ of boyfriend at the time, then proceeded to taunt me via phone calls till I messed with him so hard back, I made him hang up on me. She then stopped talkin to me for like 6 months. Even then, I never truly turned my back on her, though it took some time for me to trust her again.

I also care a lot for my friends, and those who are truly close to me are more family than anything else. Mi Familia, as I call them, I love a lot. I also tend to easily befriend people, especially girls. No, I'm not saying I'm some stud is knee deep in girls who want to be with me, just that I befriend them rather easily, particularly my coworkers. I also am protective of the girls in my life, due likely to being raised very, very Italian.

Ace is pretty much the same. Note he is friends with Vai, Raelle, Morrivan, Kitty, Sadie, Tyrrin, Tamina, Mel, Jaiye and is dating Ginni. Among the guys, Fei, Dom, Ehos and Phaez are, off the top of my head, the ones he considers friends. 10 to 4.

Monky I'm not implying any thing about your real life
or if you do or do not have a Significant Other.
Its just to me Ace comes over as being really needy sometimes
when it comes to the personal relationships interactions
Is that intentional?

Its as if he needs to be accepted with in a kind of peer protective group, He needs to be seen as a being excepted.

I was looking at classes and saw Beastmaster. I still like druid, but would this be better?
Is it possible to have both and get two animal companions?
If it isn't, I don't think it would out of the question for Sara. Would also solve my indecision over having Midori show me where to get a panda or adopting one of the owls from Lang's temple.

Monky I'm not implying any thing about your real life

or if you do or do not have a Significant Other.
Its just to me Ace comes over as being really needy sometimes
when it comes to the personal relationships interactions
Is that intentional?

Its as if he needs to be accepted with in a kind of peer protective group, He needs to be seen and a being of action and strength.

Huh? I honestly have zero idea what you are talking about.

Sara, Beastmaster is a solid class, I was actually looking at it when I as making Silinrul, but opted to just go normal Druid and the Spell Less Ranger variant from Kobold Press.

I think Druid works better for her, for one it has healing

I was looking at classes and saw Beastmaster. I still like druid, but would this be better?

Is it possible to have both and get two animal companions?
If it isn't, I don't think it would out of the question for Sara. Would also solve my indecision over having Midori show me where to get a panda or adopting one of the owls from Lang's temple.

Those owls get to size huge. That is pretty big. Which is why lang cant keep Simba at the school

Beast master has a lot of good class features and most would go well with Sara but I also like the spells and beast shape druid gives.
I'm mostly wondering about getting both.
I like them pretty well. Hoping for the Arfcom solution, "get both."

You can with eldritch heritige (sylvan)

I think Druid works better for her, for one it has healing

I am wating for lyns approval i got another character a healer also a nice girl for grim

I don't have very many feats to take. I just want to know if druid 8 beast master 8 would give both.
Also Lang, there's a big empty animal shelter to keep them in now. . . . :(

Let's just make team Healer.

Edit- far to long

What I mean is Monky-G

Aces Fear Is Nonacceptance.

Ace is a Doppelganger, a being hated and loathed by others because they
Copy and become like others. He has a fear of Nonacceptance, as hes of a race that is hunted and killed, I think has had been seeking to fit in,
To me Ace seems like he desperately "needs" to fit in, hence he seems "needy" to me

:)

Hope that Helps you get what I mean MG

Let's just make team Healer.

I'll just spend off all my spells healing random animals anyways. . . .

Hey, could someone make this archetype work with beast master
Since it happens at sixth level and removes something I get more than one of, I think it would take out that round of trap sense.

Well, Pack Bond would replace Animal Companion.

As for Improved Empathic Link, I could see it replacing Trap Sense, but I am unsure if that's a good enough trade.

That first one's a given. :P
I had the same thought, I'm not entirely sure why it gets trap sense anyways.
I'd need to get it at the same level, I guess. What should it replace? Trap sense isn't enough and most other things are too much. Maybe I can just drop all of trap sense?

Hey, could someone make this archetype work with beast master

Since it happens at sixth level and removes something I get more than one of, I think it would take out that round of trap sense.

Kitty. I know it doesn't seem like an answer at first, but it totally is. I took some of the elements from beastmaster and traded out some of the druid stuff for it and used that druid archetype and voila...Kitty. The squirrel were actually awakened and not really animal companions. That's why she needed Haruka. Of course now she's traumatized and temporarily without any animal companion and she's been a bit of a slow learner so Sara is a lot closer to her in power level than you might think.

So anyways, yeah, there's a precedent for combining the two.

Also, yay, done with software install and able to actually take notes tomorrow. :)

Boo to not being able to stay up all that late tonight cause I have to get up early tomorrow.

I'm already kind of walking on Kitty's feet. If I'm building Kitty over again, I don't want to totally overshadow her. :(

Let's just make team Healer.

Team Healer would need to include the only Vitalist in Avalon... ;)

Not the only one

I'm already kind of walking on Kitty's feet. If I'm building Kitty over again, I don't want to totally overshadow her. :(

I'm not really sure how to answer this. I think Sara's abilities have grown a bit faster than expected and Kitty is at a delicate place character development wise that pretty much makes this impossible to avoid. And it's been for good story reasons on both counts. Sara is a bit like a Disney princess and has the tragic backstory to boot. (The thing with the birds totally made me think of that scene in Enchanted with the cockroaches and rats cleaning the bathroom.) And her powers have really blossomed as a sort of coping mechanism to deal with personal tragedy. Not to mention that Sara's other half of her gestalt really complements her abilities with animals while Kitty's go in a different direction due to her different background and her family's well-meaning attempts to get her to stop it with all the animal stuff. And Kitty has been encountering setback after setback and is in a pretty bad place personally which has made/will make finding her confidence and moving forward that much more difficult for her now. She's very resilient, she'll bounce, but the thing about bouncing is first you have to fall. And her personal resources have been getting smaller and smaller because Hope was basically using her as food in spite of Keme's best efforts to stop it. In other words, it's okay sometimes if toes get stepped on when it makes sense for the story.

Also, yay, done with software install and able to actually take notes tomorrow. :)

Boo to not being able to stay up all that late tonight cause I have to get up early tomorrow.

Have a good eve Lyn

Honestly, we need all the Vitalists we can get.

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I guess it's OK if you say so. If you know something that would work better and be less foot-stompy, I'd like to know. I guess it's made a little more different since I'm not a druid.
If I do this class, I'll just get it at sixth and drop trap sense at every level.

Hey Sara,

If you want an animal companion without a druid or ranger level My healer (Kimmy Snow) that i am working on getting approved has an animal companion.

I used the Wild Cohort feat I think this is the right link

now Kimmy also took Exalted Companion feat so the companion could be a unicorn (she has a baby unicorn companion)

David.De'Foul wrote:

He allows himself to be teleported, not sure if it will actually work in the maze::you are welcome tybalt, but remember I can't do this to all of them, I'm running low on power points for the day as is::

Metagaming much? At least try to put it into terms that make sense in game. (such as 'I'm running out of mental energy' or something like that):P

This is kinda one of my little quirks that really bugs me when people do in game. Probably due to having played in a fair few live games where doing this is a good way to get mercilessly mocked for the rest of the night by the other people at the table.

it's difficult sometimes to tell what game terms are existent in universe, if your magical system is based on math and the majority of your casters are int based, a distinct effort would be put into quantifying it, should I try to find a different name for spell levels or names? is wild surge an appropriate in universe term?

If he's math base, then he'd probably deal in percentages, as he'd have no way of knowing his exact amount of power points in character...

I've heard Rank, Tier or Circle used in place of level for spells, powers:
"Fireball is a spell of the evocation school, third tier."

Wild surge also happens to describe what's happening, as well as being the class ability name, so you're good there.

I would say that spell levels is definitely a game term and not something that would show up in an actual RP scenario.

Remember that the game system is a mere abstraction to attempt to quantify spells/powers, which is why specific game terminology like power points and spell levels are generally avoided, IMO.

Similarly, a paladin wouldn't say "I've exhausted all my smite uses today." They would say something like "I have already channeled all the power granted to me by the gods" or something similar.

Of course, there is a fine line on some things.

I dunno. There's gotta be an in-game book somewhere that mages or others learn on for spellcraft and knowledge: arcana, to gauge power level between the various arcane and divine spells. It's not too difficult to believe they'd be broken up by level, tier, rank, etc. just as a frame of reference, and ease of cataloging them.

The notion just doesn't sit well with me I suppose. When Raistlin opens the portal to the Abyss, he's not all like "Okay I'm casting one of my 9th level spells for the day to open this Gate."

I dunno, I can see them being categorized by Circle or something, but honestly it's all supposed to be an abstraction, which is why it doesn't sit with me well. Next thing you know we're gonna be talking in character about int scores and bonuses.

And a paladin has several "power(s) granted to (them) by the gods" other than smite from lay on hands to spells
And I was saying that generations of psions would try to quantify how much each power cost to manifest in each way, and the capacity the mind has to hold them
Now then despite generations of genii (not referring to the wish granting creature, referring to plural smart people) trying they might still have failed
In either case I'll try not to use this term in the future

As far as spell levels go, that could be arguable as usable in-game as a difficulty level to learn/cast and ditto that for psionic power levels, thought they could just as easily be described as tier, rank, or grade. Or circles.

But something like power points, or as used in an example here a paladin having smites/day or something like that, it definitely breaks character to use behind the scenes language to describe things. I could see a mathematically inclined character saying something like they've used eighty percent of their mental capacity for the day or some such thing. If they were self-aware. It could be just as realistic for a character to get to the end of their power and go oh crap...I'm out.
I'd get just as snarky about a fighter type talking about their base attack bonus in character. Doesn't make me right or make it the only way to do things. I just have a thing about using OOC terms IC.

The notion just doesn't sit well with me I suppose. When Raistlin opens the portal to the Abyss, he's not all like "Okay I'm casting one of my 9th level spells for the day to open this Gate."

I dunno, I can see them being categorized by Circle or something, but honestly it's all supposed to be an abstraction, which is why it doesn't sit with me well. Next thing you know we're gonna be talking in character about int scores and bonuses.

i feel the same way about Vatican casting in general, it's the main reason i prefer spontanious casters over prepaired