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A campaign set in the Tian Xia realms of Shenmen and Lingshen using the Kingmaker Adventure Path.


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Jie Cao wrote:

Fixed...I think..

Anime record of the Lodoss War.

The new Jacki Chan movie .. Dragonblade? Even has Romans (Taldans) in it.

LOVE Lodss War. it was, i think, the first anime i saw and realized it was 'anime'. That, and Galaxy Express 999--which i hope to finish one day.

Liberty's Edge

I am in the done section? I don't think I am missing anything.


Marco Polo was decent too.


Diego Rossi wrote:
I am in the done section? I don't think I am missing anything.

@Diego Rossi: yes, you are in the done category


Submissions so far:

I have updated the submissions doc (see link above, or at top of page) but, here's the list in case the link is borked for some reason:

Illamin Akemichi II -- Aasimar dual-cursed oracle
Felong Wu Jian - aasimar bard
Bayanlun -- human ranger
Jin -- Nagaji two-handed fighter
Hu Xiang Lun-- human Wood elementalist
Tai Shan-- aasimar imperious tattooed sorcerer
Yata-- tengu shaman
Kage Kaijitsu-- tiefling spy/assassin/scout ninja
Tsui Dawei -- human inquisitor of the Eternal Emperor
Sano Otori-- human kensai magus
Kawanaga Kaeda-- samsaran soul forger magus
Jian Jie-- human inspired blade swashbuckler
narukami Hayashi -- human slayer
Shan Lei-- human brawler
Chun Tzu-- human oathbound (chaos, corruption, fiends) paladin
Jie Cao -- aasimar oathbound (vengeance) paladin
Jade Moon -- kitsune sorcerer
jian xi-- human spell eating bloodrager


So I will be submitting a Tiefling Brawler (Mutagenic Mawler/Steel-Breaker) I am working on the crunch right now, as for backstory all I know is she will be a ruffian of sorts, underground brawling and pitfighting and such. Will be getting the brigand trait for sure.

Already got my traits picked out except for the Social one:
Accelerated Drinker; Brigand; Bruising Intellect; Heavy Hitter

So I think I have the story so far about the Brigand trait: I will go with Neutral with chaotic tendencies, though she tries her best to stay within the law, at least now she does, after barely escaping a round-up at an illegal arena fight, she decided being involved with the underground circuit was too risky and went legit, she still makes bets with barfights and does a bit of streetfighting, but doesn't get into the underground business anymore, though she misses it. Now she uses her skills as a natural weapon for escorting traders and merchants and is looking to land a job with the city guard.

That is all I have so far, will work more on it.

EDIT: Any transmuter with brew potion would work very well in tandem with this build, just an FYI, +4 alchemical bonus, +4 enhancement bonus, and +2 size bonus to strength ontop of her already 18 str = 28 strength. Potions of Bull's Strength and Enlarge Person very cheap, easy to come by, easy to make.


BigP4nda wrote:

So I will be submitting a Tiefling Brawler (Mutagenic Mawler/Steel-Breaker) I am working on the crunch right now, as for backstory all I know is she will be a ruffian of sorts, underground brawling and pitfighting and such. Will be getting the brigand trait for sure.

Already got my traits picked out except for the Social one:
Accelerated Drinker; Brigand; Bruising Intellect; Heavy Hitter

So I think I have the story so far about the Brigand trait: I will go with Neutral with chaotic tendencies, though she tries her best to stay within the law, at least now she does, after barely escaping a round-up at an illegal arena fight, she decided being involved with the underground circuit was too risky and went legit, she still makes bets with barfights and does a bit of streetfighting, but doesn't get into the underground business anymore, though she misses it. Now she uses her skills as a natural weapon for escorting traders and merchants and is looking to land a job with the city guard.

That is all I have so far, will work more on it.

EDIT: Any transmuter with brew potion would work very well in tandem with this build, just an FYI, +4 alchemical bonus, +4 enhancement bonus, and +2 size bonus to strength ontop of her already 18 str = 28 strength. Potions of Bull's Strength and Enlarge Person very cheap, easy to come by, easy to make.

@BigP4nda: i look forward to reading her


I believe that I am ready to be placed in the "done" section of your submissions doc.

Liberty's Edge

wow...some really great submission for this game! Best of luck everyone!!


I have a Half-elf Brawler of Tian-Shu descent in the works. She has experienced some of the mistreatment towards the non-human races that has lingered in the background since Imperial Lung-Wa's reign over the lands. With the current regent having taken a firm stance against such mistreatment he won her enduring loyalty and soon after she applied to be part of the Lingshen armed forces. There she belongs to a unit that has dedicated itself to be the best Martial Artists in Tian Xia.

And after some time as a soldier for Lingshen's (King Huang's) Glory, she seized the chance to further prove that King Huang's decision to be more accepting of "half-breeds" is no mistake.

Quain may call itself the Martial Arts Center of the world, but that won't be for much longer if Ziyi can do anything about it.

GLORY FOR LINGSHEN! PRAISE BE AND LONG LIVE KING HUANG!


The Sword Scion campaign trait says, "Benefit: You begin play with a longsword or dueling sword and gain a +1 trait bonus on all attacks and combat maneuvers made with such weapons."

What Eastern Swords (if any) could substitute for the dueling sword? Katana seems to fit but a katana is a bit better weapon than the dueling sword (wider crit. range). But a katana cannot benefit from the various feats and archetypes that are available for the dueling sword. Both blades can be used one or two handed and both require exotic weapon proficiency to get extra options when fighting with it.

Could an elven character with the sword scion trait substitute elven curve blade?


Elven curve blade is far better than the dueling sword though..way more damage and crit range AND it's more expensive so you'd be getting a pretty OP weapon for the price of one feat...


Yang Doru wrote:

The Sword Scion campaign trait says, "Benefit: You begin play with a longsword or dueling sword and gain a +1 trait bonus on all attacks and combat maneuvers made with such weapons."

What Eastern Swords (if any) could substitute for the dueling sword? Katana seems to fit but a katana is a bit better weapon than the dueling sword (wider crit. range). But a katana cannot benefit from the various feats and archetypes that are available for the dueling sword. Both blades can be used one or two handed and both require exotic weapon proficiency to get extra options when fighting with it.

Could an elven character with the sword scion trait substitute elven curve blade?

How about this? You can take the dueling sword per the trait, but we'll call it something that fits Tian Xia. How about a

liuyedao? Or, maybe, a jian?

Whichever you call it, mechanically it'd be a dueling sword. It'll just have a funky-fresh Tian Xia appropriate name!


Daniel Stewart wrote:
wow...some really great submission for this game! Best of luck everyone!!

I have to second that opinion! I'm both humbled and impressed by the number of dots for interest, and the number and quality of submissions. I was convinced that I wouldn't get ANY takers! Choosing characters for this game will be difficult to say the least.

So with that, there's still about a day left, and i look forward to reading everyone's characters.


I do realize I've yet to ask a question that I tend to ask when it comes to crunch and unarmed strikes.

Do you allow the Cestus to modify unarmed strikes as it says in the weapon entry (applying, ofc, only for those who have the Improved Unarmed Strike feat)? I would be quite glad if it was so since the Amulet of Mighty Fists is, in my opinion, an item that is rather horribly designed.


I'm finishing up a Human Investigator (empiricist) from the Wu Province of Lingshen. Working on the fluff now. Detective Foo is on the case!


Edinoiz wrote:

I do realize I've yet to ask a question that I tend to ask when it comes to crunch and unarmed strikes.

Do you allow the Cestus to modify unarmed strikes as it says in the weapon entry (applying, ofc, only for those who have the Improved Unarmed Strike feat)? I would be quite glad if it was so since the Amulet of Mighty Fists is, in my opinion, an item that is rather horribly designed.

Just note that it doesn't let you use your improved unarmed strike damage from Monk/Brawler (old Brass Knuckles were the only thing that did that and they were changed). All it does is make your unarmed attacks lethal and make you count as armed. And it has no interaction at all with Improved Unarmed Strike.

Obviously the GM can change that, but sometimes people get a little lost in the difference between the cestus and the old brass knuckles so I figured I'd point that out. A brawler CAN use close weapon mastery with one though, albeit treating the damage as an unarmed strike of four levels lower.


Foo Xin wrote:
I'm finishing up a Human Investigator (empiricist) from the Wu Province of Lingshen. Working on the fluff now. Detective Foo is on the case!

@Foo Xin, you have a lot of hacking stuff in your entry for your human character. :)


Edinoiz wrote:

I do realize I've yet to ask a question that I tend to ask when it comes to crunch and unarmed strikes.

Do you allow the Cestus to modify unarmed strikes as it says in the weapon entry (applying, ofc, only for those who have the Improved Unarmed Strike feat)? I would be quite glad if it was so since the Amulet of Mighty Fists is, in my opinion, an item that is rather horribly designed.

My read on it is that it just lets a monk use flurry of blows... Am I missing something?


Dragonofashandflame wrote:
Foo Xin wrote:
I'm finishing up a Human Investigator (empiricist) from the Wu Province of Lingshen. Working on the fluff now. Detective Foo is on the case!
@Foo Xin, you have a lot of hacking stuff in your entry for your human character. :)

Yeah, that was my bad. Copied the format from another alias and forgot to update the racial info. Fixed now.


Foo Xin wrote:
Dragonofashandflame wrote:
Foo Xin wrote:
I'm finishing up a Human Investigator (empiricist) from the Wu Province of Lingshen. Working on the fluff now. Detective Foo is on the case!
@Foo Xin, you have a lot of hacking stuff in your entry for your human character. :)
Yeah, that was my bad. Copied the format from another alias and forgot to update the racial info. Fixed now.

@Foo Xin, cool. Make sure u include ur preferred roles


You will pick a diverse set of PCs? Cause I hardly see any rogue types up there.


Kage Kaijitsu wrote:
You will pick a diverse set of PCs? Cause I hardly see any rogue types up there.

@Kage Kaijitsu: As I said in the starting post, I don't care about party balance or a diverse range of classes. I care more for the roleplaying potential each character brings to the group and the story I want to tell. You can leadership or buy away any perceived needs.


There are a few rogue types thus far, I know my submission is pretty stealthy and I remember seeing a couple others, although I can't remember any at the moment.


You can't leadership or buy away the need for a healer or a trap disarmer if you need one. That's also rather lame. So why have any PCs at all? Just have someone with leadership replace the whole party? :-( So what, have a group of people who are all the same class type role ALL competing for the same leadership roles too? Come on...


Kage Kaijitsu wrote:
You can't leadership or buy away the need for a healer or a trap disarmer if you need one. That's also rather lame. So why have any PCs at all? Just have someone with leadership replace the whole party? :-( So what, have a group of people who are all the same class type role ALL competing for the same leadership roles too? Come on...

As a GM on these boards I can say that not every player is a good fit for every GM style. If you don't support the GM's style, there are a wide variety of other games and other GMs here. It is kind of a downer to hear shots at a GM's style especially when many of us clearly support it!


Kage Kaijitsu wrote:
You can't leadership or buy away the need for a healer or a trap disarmer if you need one. That's also rather lame. So why have any PCs at all? Just have someone with leadership replace the whole party? :-( So what, have a group of people who are all the same class type role ALL competing for the same leadership roles too? Come on...

You can't force people to take certain roles dude. If someone wants to play a barbarian instead of a rogue or a slayer instead of a cleric, that's fine because they'll be more infused about that character in the long run. I mean, you picked a ninja cus (and i suspect this is the reason anyhow, no offence meant if i'm wrong) ninjas are frikkin cool!

Like, i get being concerned about balance, but it's none of our calls who gets picked for this game anyway, so why worry? 8)


TheWidget wrote:
Kage Kaijitsu wrote:
You can't leadership or buy away the need for a healer or a trap disarmer if you need one. That's also rather lame. So why have any PCs at all? Just have someone with leadership replace the whole party? :-( So what, have a group of people who are all the same class type role ALL competing for the same leadership roles too? Come on...

You can't force people to take certain roles dude. If someone wants to play a barbarian instead of a rogue or a slayer instead of a cleric, that's fine because they'll be more infused about that character in the long run. I mean, you picked a ninja cus (and i suspect this is the reason anyhow, no offence meant if i'm wrong) ninjas are frikkin cool!

Like, i get being concerned about balance, but it's none of our calls who gets picked for this game anyway, so why worry? 8)

Way to go with the obvious butt kissing and trying to oust other players so you can play bro...


Kage Kaijitsu wrote:
TheWidget wrote:
Kage Kaijitsu wrote:
You can't leadership or buy away the need for a healer or a trap disarmer if you need one. That's also rather lame. So why have any PCs at all? Just have someone with leadership replace the whole party? :-( So what, have a group of people who are all the same class type role ALL competing for the same leadership roles too? Come on...

You can't force people to take certain roles dude. If someone wants to play a barbarian instead of a rogue or a slayer instead of a cleric, that's fine because they'll be more infused about that character in the long run. I mean, you picked a ninja cus (and i suspect this is the reason anyhow, no offence meant if i'm wrong) ninjas are frikkin cool!

Like, i get being concerned about balance, but it's none of our calls who gets picked for this game anyway, so why worry? 8)

Way to go with the obvious butt kissing and trying to oust other players so you can play bro...

I disagree. D&D is usually about a team and roles are needed. So if NO ONE wants to play a healer, what then? No healer? not a long lived group then.

Scarab Sages

Kage Kaijitsu wrote:


Way to go with the obvious butt kissing and trying to oust other players so you can play bro...

I don't tend to like supporting derailing of threads, but recruitment threads are somewhat of an exception. Bumps are bumps, and posts go bumpty-bump. So, with that out of the way:

The GM has answered your question. You can disagree with the style, but as has been noted, the benefit of online games is the vast amount of choice you have available. If you don't like a style, it's cool. No one is judging you if you don't want to play in a game because it doesn't fit your style! I fully support playing the game the way you want to!

As to "balance", I like balanced parties, but my version seems to be different from yours. In my version, parties should be balanced around the tension that they have. There should be some, but not so much that they can't function. This is mostly a function of character concept more than stats, but they should also not overlap in ability so much that *players* will feel useless. Beyond that, it's much less important to bring a healer or trapfinding than it is to not have two characters with the exact same focus. Especially if one is significantly better than the other.

Note that I'm not downplaying the need for a shadowy assassin in an eastern-themed Kingmaker-style game. I think that would be awesome! I also understand that this comes across as quite critical, but it's sincerely not meant to be. I actually hope you find this helpful and either accept that there are other styles of game (that you may find you enjoy!) or that there are styles that you know you don't like (and will avoid). In either case, I wish you luck, and hope to see you in this or any other game that we both enjoy (and are lucky enough to get picked for.)


@Scott: Yeah, i can't really argue with that dude. I mean, i've been in plenty of parties without a source of healy magics and got totally wiped. Still fun though, which is why party balance to me, although very important as you say, is secondary to just playing cool dudes in fantasy. I'm not saying balance is wrong, not at all. I'm just saying it's never been a big factor in my thought process making a character.

@Kage: I'm sorry if i offended you. I didn't mean the post to 'oust' anyone. I saw you're post, didn't agree with it, and wrote response. I'm quite alright with you not agreeing, i just want you to know i didn't mean any ill will by it.

I'm kinda new to the whole forum roleplaying thing so i don't exactly have a clear idea on the social graces here. Obviously that was a bad move and apologize.


Well said, all. We all have our different expectations in this game. It's amazing to see people be so passionate about this game!

There's still most of one day left, so let's get those characters in!! I'll make the announcement post probably late Friday night my time (so, early Saturday morning EST) and have the first official post ready for RPing sometime around Saturday night/Sunday morning.


It's not amazing to be told I supposedly "won't work" because I disagree with ONE thing you're doing...and while I said I disagree with it, I didn't say I wouldn't accept it.


@the widget, what the heck is that thing in your profile? It's hideous. lol


My PFS was set for the approximate time of selection but was cancelled, glad for something to look forward to.


@Scott: It's a medical condition. It inflicts the victim with the visage of a rejected Jim Henson puppet. My mother and father weep constantly to point of pass out.

Forgive me.


LOL It does look like a muppet thing. Like maybe Farscape monster or something?

There are other kingmaker type games I see. There is a Underdark one, but I had my heart set on an asian one like this, or just plain ole Jade Regent...


From a quick look see at all the various (main) faiths of the characters that have been submitted so far, and how many are dedicated to Shizuru, I have to say that I'm hopeful that Tian Xia will soon be Blessed with the rise of a glorious new empire of the Rising Sun (or other appropriate Sun motif).

Praise the Sun!


Almost done! Don't count me out yet


I already posted one character for consideration, but I had an inspiration for another character, so if I may, here is an alternate character I'd be interested in running.

Yang Doru is a female elf Samurai of the Order of the Dragon.

Background:

Yang Doru was born and raised in Jinin. As she came of age, however, she found herself drawn to the traditions of the samurai and intrigued with the affairs of men. This made her somewhat of an odd child but the elders merely taught her the Minkai language and encouraged her to consider becoming an envoy to Minkai so she could learn more about their traditions. She traveled to Minkai and convinced one of the lords of the land to train her in sword fighting, which she was already pretty good at, and other aspects of Minkai culture. She spent a number of happy years coming of age, sword fighting, and occasionally traveling to see the more beautiful natural settings.

Her happy time ended abruptly when a civil conflict erupted and she found herself imprisoned along with a number of other members of a nobleman’s court, a Lingshen envoy, and her sword master, Shan Min. Things looked grim, but Shan Min, a female aasimar led an escape attempt.

At a crucial moment, it looked as if the group would be caught, just as they reached the portal to freedom. Shan Min handed her dueling sword to Yang and made her swear an oath to carry on her efforts to guide others to seek freedom. Shan Min had shared many times her personal philosophy of charity and devotion to others as a path to enlightenment. After handing Yang her sword, Shan Min drew attention away from the other prisoners and this allowed them to escape. Yang led the others through a difficult journey in the wilderness until they reached the safety of Lingshen.

One of the other escapees was an envoy from Lingshen, named Mina Tao, niece of the king. She introduced Yang to the magistrate of Yan province, who was impressed with Yang’s heroism and service. As a reward for helping Mina escape, Yang was offered a charter to explore and help settle Shenmen.

Even though she could go back to Jinan, Yang feels honor bound to repay the debt she owes to Shan Min and devote a portion of her life to helping to establish this new territory. Since it is so close to Jinan, she feels it will serve her people well to pacify a border state and influence the newly settled land to be well disposed to the elves. Her long term goal is to act as an advisor to the new kingdom and train samurai to follow in the footsteps of Shan Min and herself. Once the new samurai order (Order of the Dragon) is established and the land secure, she will consider other goals.


goal:

Yang's Samurai Order is one of service to one's friends and allies. Her main goal is to support the goals of the other PCs. Since she is an elf, she does not have aspirations to be a leader, but she does hope she can develop into a capable diplomat and advisor, and offer to train the samurai of the realm, encouraging them to join the Order of the Dragon.

Top 3 Roles: Grand Diplomat, Warden, Marshall.

My inspiration for this character was the lead character in the movie Sucker Punch. I particularly love the scene where she fights three giant samurai. You can see it in this clip.

I've given her a teamwork feat (seems reasonable given her order edict) but if no one else in the group has or wants to adopt the same teamwork feat, then I may change it.


Crunch is finished, working on backstory and roles now.


Yang Daru added to the 'completed' section,

Tanyra Matsumoto and Foo Xin added to the 'waiting for fluff' section


So you did catch I accept the "no forced balance parties" even if I don't quite agree with it? It is nice to let people play what they want, I just hope it doesn't hurt the players.


You should be receiving my information along with Red Hare's quite soon.

I do have a small question though. Should I start off assuming that Red Hare only has a single trick known, or may I have at least combat trained her beforehand?


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Lu Bu wrote:

You should be receiving my information along with Red Hare's quite soon.

I do have a small question though. Should I start off assuming that Red Hare only has a single trick known, or may I have at least combat trained her beforehand?

@Lu Bu, according to the pfsrd entry, the mount is combat trained, but it functions as a druid animal companion. The druid's animal companion gets a bonus trick. So, the mount gets a bonus trick, too.


Kage Kaijitsu wrote:
So you did catch I accept the "no forced balance parties" even if I don't quite agree with it? It is nice to let people play what they want, I just hope it doesn't hurt the players.

yes i did


Dragonofashandflame wrote:
Lu Bu wrote:

You should be receiving my information along with Red Hare's quite soon.

I do have a small question though. Should I start off assuming that Red Hare only has a single trick known, or may I have at least combat trained her beforehand?

@Lu Bu, according to the pfsrd entry, the mount is combat trained, but it functions as a druid animal companion. The druid's animal companion gets a bonus trick. So, the mount gets a bonus trick, too.

That's brilliant! I completely read over that. Well then, I am just putting the finishing touches on my fluff.


Here is the link to Lu Bu's character sheet complete with character information, traits, personality, backstory, etc.

And here is the link to Red Hare's character sheet

Finally, below you can find Lu Bu's backstory. You might appreciate the references to Romance of the Three Kingdoms ;)

Backstory:
Son of the minor warlord Ding Yuan, Lu Yuan was once the light of his mother's eye. As a skilled horseman, adept archer, and seemingly enterprising tactician, Lu Yuan excelled at a very early age and proved to surpass his fellow students of war in nearly every aspect. This would have been enough for most people, but Lu Yuan had grown up on his mother's stories of his father; a supposed member of King Yuan's family. Relishing the idea that he may in fact be royalty and yet also realizing that he was a bastard, Lu Yuan grew up with this dichotomy which confused the young boy. Quickly growing arrogant due to his bloodline he also seemed aloof to others, for no particular reason (not helped by the fact that as a bastard he couldn't share his familial legacy). Still, for a time he obeyed his mother's teachings and orders and never once went against her command.

That is until the general Dong Zhuo made him a tantalizing offer. Disown his mother and become his adoptive son and he would offer him riches and opportunities that Ding Yuan could never even begin to imagine for her son. Overcome with a sense of greed and frustration for his current lowly position, Lu Yuan gladly accepted the offer and cast off his familial name, taking up the name Lu Bu. The newly named warrior trained under the watchful eye of Dong Zhuo, quickly becoming a ruthless fighter, and an excellent commander, often helping Dong Zhuo draw up different military stratagems.

He did all this, while alienating himself from his birth mother, all but forgetting that she even existed. That is of course, until Dong Zhuo requested detailed blueprints of her compound so that he could stage a coup amongst those loyal to her, displacing her and setting up his own puppet leader. Selling out his mother in an instant, Lu Bu watched as his mother's men were slaughtered by the vastly superior forces of Dong Zhuo and could only smile at the thought that one day it would be him making such important decisions. The betrayal, however, did not go exactly as planned. Though the puppet leader was established, Ding Yuan's body was never found after the battle, and it was assumed by all parties that she survived and went into hiding.

Not to be deterred, Dong Zhuo rewarded the young Lu Bu with two separate gifts. The first was a promise to arrange something special for Lu Bu's future as a military leader: an expedition to Shenmen and a charter to settle the land authorized by the King himself. The second, was perhaps even more exciting to the young man: Dong Zhup's prized warhorse Red Hare; a specimen so fine that a price quite literally could not be placed on her head. With these two gifts as an inheritance his mother could never offer him, Lu Bu once again pledged allegiance to the general as well as made a promise to uphold the King's rule in these lands. After all, Lu Bu always knew he was never meant to be a King, that would be far too grand a title for him... on the other hand, commanding a regiment of soldiers and rushing the battlefield was more his speed.

And evens so, the betrayal of Lu Bu was not yet over as treachery rarely is. As time passed, Dong Zhuo's promise of an expedition to Shenmen was never realized. Growing agitated at waiting for his opportunity, Lu Bu did some investigating and found that Dong Zhuo had fallen out of favor with the King and was therefore unable to secure the charter for his adopted son. Furious at the perceived slight, Lu Bu allowed his rage to sit until an unexpected, but very welcome surprise came in Liu Bei, the spymaster of the King.

Explaining who he was, Liu Bei took note at Lu Bu's frustration at his adoptive father and offered him yet another offer: assassinate Dong Zhuo in the name of the King, and he could promise the charter for Shenmen within a day after the death. Taking no chance for Dong Zhuo to here of these plans, Lu Bu acted that night, murdering Dong Zhiuo within his sleep. True to his word, Liu Bei arrived with an official pardon for the murder, as well as the charter to head out the Shenmen.

Now with everything he could want, Lu Bu set off with Red Hare, seeking to make his name known to all of Tian Xia... and all of Golarion for that matter.

EDIT: Ah, right, the three roles...
Marshall,
Royal Assassin,
Spymaster

Liberty's Edge

Scott Henry wrote:
Kage Kaijitsu wrote:
TheWidget wrote:
Kage Kaijitsu wrote:
You can't leadership or buy away the need for a healer or a trap disarmer if you need one. That's also rather lame. So why have any PCs at all? Just have someone with leadership replace the whole party? :-( So what, have a group of people who are all the same class type role ALL competing for the same leadership roles too? Come on...

You can't force people to take certain roles dude. If someone wants to play a barbarian instead of a rogue or a slayer instead of a cleric, that's fine because they'll be more infused about that character in the long run. I mean, you picked a ninja cus (and i suspect this is the reason anyhow, no offence meant if i'm wrong) ninjas are frikkin cool!

Like, i get being concerned about balance, but it's none of our calls who gets picked for this game anyway, so why worry? 8)

Way to go with the obvious butt kissing and trying to oust other players so you can play bro...
I disagree. D&D is usually about a team and roles are needed. So if NO ONE wants to play a healer, what then? No healer? not a long lived group then.

I won't be happy, but I can get CLW. And later on make wands of it. That for immediate hit point healing.

I suspect other people can do something similar.

There are ways to manage and, as we are building a kingdom, we will have access to NPC healing for a price. In adventure healing will be a problem but builds can be adjusted.

Liberty's Edge

Scott Henry wrote:
@the widget, what the heck is that thing in your profile? It's hideous. lol

Disenchanter, the terror of every adventurer.

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