Scattered Worlds by DM Forgedawn (Inactive)

Game Master XanaverForgedawn

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Scaling templates? Please explain.

Sorry, realized both were third party. So no to both.

Eglian: A scaling template is a template is a template that changes CR based on hit dice.

I figured. I just didn't know what you meant by "outruled." They are still allowed, right? Otherwise, I'm going to have some major changes....

If you already applied them, you can keep them, but you can't get more later.

Oh. Well, I'm glad I got them when I did, then. Guess I won't throw on half-fiendish later, I suppose. (That would be kind of hilarious. Half-fiend, half-celestial vampire.)

mmm. makes total sense.

Redeemed succubus?

Nah, just contaminated from his connection to planar quintessence. Remember, my fluff for him becoming a summoner was him attempting to fuse himself to pure planestuff. It corrupts, after all. Was also considering throwing on Entropic, just to be funny. (As he's already Resolute) But does that mean that those who aren't mythic can't become so later? The way the application of the mythic subtype as a template works, it does scale (by CR, admittedly, but it still scales).

Like can I use this template Mythical Animal
or this one [/url]

one*

My guess is no, more due to the 3rd party bit than anything (and the fact you need to be an animal to take the template)

Also,

Sorry, realized both were third party. So no to both.

Nope, no third party except that which I listed.

Everyone will get mythic ranks later, you've just already taken the first step.

alright

Oh, now that's fun. Oh, the OPness....

Yup, kind of the point.

Well, okay then.

So, how long should I wait before completely and utterly destroying WBL?

I have 3 things of darkvison 60 ft, can I get better darkvision because of this

Well, different dimensions may have different currencies, so that may be an issue.

Darkvision will stack.

sweet

Well, when I can gain an infinite number of alchemical items given enough time... (at-will full pouch. I love that spell) Most people can appreciate alchemist's fire, or gold, or thunderstones, or a temporary Homunculus... Besides, I can always travel to a plane that does accept gold, and buy my stuff in the City of Brass. The multiverse is infinite, after all.

Darkvision stacks? Okay then.... Let me see here how much that will be....

EDIT: 300 feet. Huh. That's a lot.

Before I came to see I was accepted, I have made a mythic version. Is it okay if I do this. I lose a caster level for some defense and utility.

Also, check out how weapons actually scale with size here.

Hey guys! Dotting here. Thanks for the opportunity. The profile will be ready this Monday, if that's okay :) this will be fun.

I think it should be DR 10/adamantine and epic
I'm impressed you managed to get 7 HD already. Kudos to you.

I think it should be DR 10/adamantine and epic

I'm impressed you managed to get 7 HD already. Kudos to you.

I had 8 HD before going mythic. I actually changed it to just list DR Epic. If a weapon is +6, then it already bypasses adamantine.

How do you have 20th level casting?!?

A couple of very shaky interactions with the monster-creation rules. I did it more to try- just try- to find Forgedawn's limits. I never really expected it would actually be allowed. That being said, I actually held back a little.

But yeah. It's kind of OP.

Actually, it's all completely RAW. Even a little RAI. I just took it to the extreme, and ignored the common sense that is normally advised with monster creation.

A couple of very shaky interactions with the monster-creation rules. I did it more to try- just try- to find Forgedawn's limits. I never really expected it would actually be allowed. That being said, I actually held back a little.

But yeah. It's kind of OP.

Actually, it's all completely RAW. Even a little RAI. I just took it to the extreme, and ignored the common sense that is normally advised with monster creation.

Dude, I know Forgedawn IRL and he enjoys this, he loves optimizing. He does it naturally. He does even have to try, it's actually kinda scary. Our DM constantly has to stop from it. He once did a kasatha magus and tried to get the bladed brush feat, the DM did not like it

A couple of very shaky interactions with the monster-creation rules. I did it more to try- just try- to find Forgedawn's limits. I never really expected it would actually be allowed. That being said, I actually held back a little.

But yeah. It's kind of OP.

Actually, it's all completely RAW. Even a little RAI. I just took it to the extreme, and ignored the common sense that is normally advised with monster creation.

And how did you do it?

If this high a caster level flies, then I have a version of Ixi that has caster level 16. Still not at your level, but very fun.

Hmm... Something to note, DR/Epic and Adamantine actually requires a weapon to be both adamantine and epic to overcome... I guess that, in that case, you would need a +6 adamantine weapon for that DR.
Also, if you want to further boost your power, take the magical knack trait instead of one of your current ones. With SoP and racial hit dice, that's +2 CL for practically nothing.

As for how I got 20th level casting.... Well....

In place of a mythic ability, the monster may gain a universal monster ability, such as rend or pounce, either from an existing Bestiary or from this section.

Spells: The creature is able to cast magical spells like a member of a spellcasting class. The creature counts as a member of that class for any effect or ability relating to casting spells as that class. For example, it can use spell completion and spell trigger items usable by that class or use magic items that affect that class's spellcasting (such as incense of meditation or a pearl of power). If the creature has any other abilities relating to that class (such as cleric domains or a sorcerer bloodline), this is explained in its entry. If the creature gains levels in that spellcasting class, these abilities stack (for example, a spirit naga that gains 3 sorcerer levels casts spells as a 10th-level sorcerer). Some creatures may have unusual abilities unavailable to spellcasters of that class (such as a spirit naga's ability to learn cleric spells with her sorcerer spells known).

From examples given, we know that caster level is not always equal to Hit Dice. Now, normally, this is because the caster level is lower than its HD (a young red dragon, while 11 HD, has level 1 spellcasting). However, there's no rule saying caster level is capped by hit dice, so from there it's a simple matter of writing down that I can cast spells as a 20th level sorcerer that is also capable of casting cleric spells.

This was me flexing my rule-breaking side a little. I think I'm like Forgedawn in that. I don't even have to try (which is kind of strange, because I'm relatively new to PF). But sometime I just... can't
help myself. I still deliberately reigned in, however, since I couldn't, in good conscience, go all-out, regardless of the "no limits" policy.

How'd you pull of CL 16? That's not half bad.

I feel underpowered

Don't feel bad. You have 40 str.

I mean, I have 34 Dex, get it to damage, and, via Change Shape, can get 9 natural attacks, each with energy drain, and get two full turns each round.... (Without even counting my eidolon, or my massive numbers of homonucli, spellcasting, and more)
But yeah, 40 Str is absolutely comparable....

He wasn't born into optimizing. My friends get a little mad when my builds actually pan out well, while their barely function.

There's a livid number of roleplayers.
Those who play as they know, following certain unspoken assumptions about the game.
Those who try to maximize, to see if they can.
Those who accidentally maximize, because it's so natural for them.
And those who realize that I didn't say 'livid,' but instead said LIVID, roman numerals for 445.

To paraphrase, "Oh, you think the optimizing is your ally, you merely adopted the optimization. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the non-optimized until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but weak! The powers betray you, because they belong to me."

Well, I would call cheese on that because spellcasting far in advance of your level would raise your CR.

But since I'm not running, I'll use it. New stats when I get the chance to update it. 26th level spherecaster baby!

Oh, and now my DR is epic, adamantine, slashing

By RAW, Eglian, you gain the spell casting but you don't gain the caster level, and it is capped by the HD - point me a creature with higher CL than its HD without using magic items or another special ability clearly stating it. I don't want to go and review everybody's builds because I lack the time and patience (plus, I believe anything the GM wants to allow should work), but even for optimizing you have to stick to the rules.

I'm not sure about this, but does he actually need a higher CL to cast higher level spells, if he already has a spellcasting ability?

Oh, it's 100% cheese. It's also 100% RAW. But it's not 100% effort. You don't want to see that, trust me. Heck, I could break the game even without templates, Mythic, or custom races (though they all help). This just makes it easier.

Is it? I'd be happy to tone down a little if it's not RAW. Like I said, I didn't think I'd actually get away with it. Let's see if I can find any pertinent rules....

...Huh. I really thought I would find something this time. For monsters, there's no text I can find that CL is capped by hit dice. If anyone else spots something, please let me know. I want Eglian to be 100% within RAW- with the guidelines given, at least.

And I'm not sure if I actually need a minimum CL to cast spells if I have access to them. There's precedent against it (such as with SLAs), but not much for it beyond the standard spellcasting progression of classes.

Even SLAs have caster level - and almost always using the character's HD. There are exceptions - but these are clearly named as exceptions. Like I said, easiest way is to point a monster with this same ability (spell casting) using spells beyond its HD. Plus yes, you need CL.

As an optimizer, my favorite words are "almost, advise, usually, example, and exceptions." :P

As a human being with built in sensibilities, yes, what I am doing is absolutely ridiculous. As I've said, I never expected to be allowed to do this.

Also, yes. I do have CL. It just so happens to be completely disconnected from my HD. The only question is whether spells have a minimum CL requirement to cast, should they be obtained somehow.

It could almost be considered RAI to let a low-HD monster use higher-level spells, but the GM is advised to keep things sane.

But Forgedawn asked me to break the game. You do that through the weak points.

My goal in creating Eglian was to get people to say, "How did you do that? That should not be possible." when I managed it without breaking RAW. My dream is to get Forgedawn say, "Yes, I understand how you did that, and it falls within the guidelines, but that's too powerful, so change it." Because that would mean I can munchkin beyond an optimizer's wildest dreams.
I want to out-munchkin Milo Amastacia-Liadon.

Okay, I'm updated.

Now all we are waiting for is The Chess.

I have decided to rebuild, does SR Stack?

Same question with elemental resistance.

Both stack.