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Pfft, yeah. Wands of Burning Hands are lower division Wizard School classes. I can burn bats in my sleep.
At 2 HP and bleeding, though, I need to heal before I do anything else.
Edit: after reading the Gameplay page, were these skeletons described as unusual in any way when we first encountered them?
It seems like that would be something obvious, and we have two party members trained in Religion who would know they're different from normal skeletons. Also, Kara specifically investigated them after we destroyed them -- wouldn't she have noticed that they're still bleeding, and starting to heal? Given any sort of clue, I feel that we would have dealt with them permanently before moving on.
Knowledge religion checks of 5 and 9 were rolled at the time. With that knowledge, they were not able to differentiate between these and any normal skeletons.
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Okay, by RAW I'll accept that. It just seems odd we wouldn't notice this:
A bloody skeleton is coated in a slick layer of blood and gore infused with negative energy.
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary/skeleton.html
But I guess with those crappy Religion rolls it wouldn't have made a difference.
The link you posted was for the first time you fought any skeletons. For the first post of the fight that these are mentioned in, find it here, where I actually asked for religion rolls specifically in hopes of you determining this fact. I then also strongly advised against his running in OOC, as it would be very poor form of me to say either a) "If you run you're going to trigger a second combat" or b) "Those skeletons you killed aren't really dead". I tried what I could in these cases while trying not to remove us from the adventure too much, or go outside the rules of the adventure.
The skeletons in this chamber slowly heal any damage done to them. Once destroyed, they continue to heal unless the PCs make a DC 15 Knowledge (religion) check to recall one of the ways to permanently destroy them. The bloody skeletons wait until the PCs enter the room before revealing themselves and attacking.
I apologize for my delay, work had me doing something that allowed negative eight minutes for posting. I literally had to work over with still no time.
Good grief, WHERE? We aren't back to school for another month.
Speaking of gameday, neodam please report to game. We start next Monday.
Ah. South Dakota. We actually had a referendum on the ballot two or four years back making it so we legally have to start after labor day. Lotta farmers.
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Speaking of gameday, neodam please report to game. We start next Monday.
I've made a ninjadot post Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 03:39 pm
Groovy, just making sure. :)
Deja vu...
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Rizzok, can you at least support us with whatever ranged attacks you have? I agree running in was in retrospect not the best strategy (and Mr. Skelly had an epic round of attack and damage rolls, which didn't help our situation), but now we're here and your friends are in trouble.
Before Kara proceeds, I think we agreed that everyone except Talondreal (ironically) had Infernal Healing from my wand. If so, Kara is likely to hit Talondreal with it to save his life, probably taking enough AoO's to put her down. I can only hope that once the healing kicks in enough to wake her up, she can Disengage.
This seems like a hard fight for a level 2 group, and the four minions who appeared out of nowhere make it pretty much impossible to win. I'm thinking we should cut and run as long as we can save everyone. If not, well, we have some hard choices to make.
What think you, comrades?
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My understanding is that everyone was ready to go and that there was going to be some some of support in one way or another for the paladin to do what he could do. The only one that did anything as a support for me was Kara who shot off a magic missile while the rat ran away.
As I said earlier, I think it is pretty sucky of Rizzok to run away as soon as someone went down. In this whole module the support from this character has been minimal and instead of saying, before the commitment to us fighting had been that he wouldn't fight he allowed the group to think that he was in fact going to support us, again, to character type, that didn't happen.
We knew you as a player didn't want to do it, you could have had your character leave before and the 3 of us could have made a decision with what we were going to do from that point on.
Moving into the room was meant to have the support position themselves to be of support and not creating a bottle neck again. Either way as a front liner he took hits that would have killed any other one of you had the skeleton hit them.
If my character dies I am okay with it. I liked this character and I understand that in these types of games this happens. The manner that it happens with people running away when he would be the one to take all of the hits is very telling.
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Sorry, but no. Entering that room is a death sentence. As soon as you drop you might as well admit you're a goner. Even if you get someone conscious, they have to stand, which is going to provoke and probably drop them again. Then you'd have to survive a round of attacks before you had a full round action available to withdraw.
Sucks that someone is going to die at this level, but I see no reason for the rest of us to suffer the same fate. A rescue attempt is just folly at this point.
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I never said Rizzok was a front-liner. He isn't. Unfortunately the ending encounters were all swarms and skeletons, which his crossbow is useless against. Rizzok's not built to just run into the thick of melee, tactically speaking he needs to isolate an enemy so he isn't taking more attacks than he is making and he needs to flank with an ally while doing it. At higher level he'll have more options that will make that easier. I many cases during this adventure he didn't. Sometimes the terrain foiled that, sometimes the abilities of the enemies did. But I'm not going to just be a damage sponge when I can't attack optimally. If I'm going to have to make suboptimal attacks, I'm going to do that at range where I can't be hit as easily.
Running in wasn't going to help him get flank until the rest of the skeletons were dealt with. Unfortunately the encounter went sideways before any of that could happen. If I waited for Dragall to drop also, it was very likely that Rizzok would not have been able to get far enough away, so I had to make the decision to run right then.
But the fact is you've refused to think tactically this whole adventure.
Why didn't you 5-foot back and then pick up your weapon from an adjacent square? That way you would not be threatened by the BBEG and thus would not have provoked. You could have used your swift action to activate smite (gaining a bonus to your AC, attack, and damage), and then readied your standard for him to step up to you? You had options.
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Lol. I take responsibility for what u did not do. However you dont fer to walk away blameless especially after NJ or posting for how long? In all of this you never really did much to pull your weight while the rest of us became shields and punching bags for someone who really helped us out. You want to talk about one trick ponies with weapons, well at least there was an attempt at a trick.
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Going back and forth like this is not productive, so I deleted all my recent posts.
I'm just going to try to refrain playing in further adventures with you.
@GM. I plan to have Rizzok continue to double move towards the exit every round and then run when I'm in the clear. If something comes up to stop me, please let me know.
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I am more frustrated than anything.
I will say this one more thing. I am frustrated too. I think this was a very poorly thought out conversion for PFS. No way should level 1 PCs be going through this second half of the adventure. They should have figured out a way to split this into a double module with 2 chronicle sheets so that you can level up after the first floor. This really is 2 levels worth of content.
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I am more frustrated than anything.I will say this one more thing. I am frustrated too. I think this was a very poorly thought out conversion for PFS. No way should level 1 PCs be going through this second half of the adventure. They should have figured out a way to split this into a double module with 2 chronicle sheets so that you can level up after the first floor. This really is 2 levels worth of content.
You are correct on that.
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5450 gp
or 16 prestige
or 8 prestige and 2450 gp
However, because you are second level there is another problem. The raise dead spell causes you to gain 2 permanent negative levels, there is an exception for level 1 PCs (you take 2 Con drain instead), but no such provision exists for level 2 PCs. 2 negative levels will just kill you again. So the only way to be raised is to pay for both the raise dead and at least 1 restoration immediately thereafter.
A restoration spell to remove a permanent negative level costs 4 prestige or 1280 gp.
I would technically note, despite all other statements here, that Talondreal isn't actually dead because he has exactly one roll to make before he dies. My aasimar once survived a DC 30-something CDG. 5% happens.