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Hell-OOOO everyone and thank-you for running the high tier table, GM Michael!
Luisila is a vanilla healing ☞ buffing ☞ archery cleric. Her player loves roleplay and cooperative, tactical combat. Her damage output is meagre at these levels. Rather her SOP in combat is to keep the heavy hitters up and buffed, while using divine magic to help out anyone in trouble.
I am pumped to be playing with you all! Oh, and I would also like to pre-emptively blame any hijinx Luisila gets up to on @Hrothdane’s bad influence :D
To business!
Player name: Yours is mined
PFS Number: 69095-1
Character Name: Luisila
Faction: Grand Lodge
Initiative: [dice=Luisila] d20+5 [/dice
Perception: [dice=Luisila] d20+22 [/dice
Welcome Luisilla, thanks for getting the party started!
Looking forward to everyone else checking in.
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Oops? I forgot I had signed up for this. Cool.
Giovanni is a "pure" Fighter, but he is NOT a damage dealer. He uses reach, Improved Trip, Improved Disarm, and Quickened Improved Reposition to control the battlefield and give everyone else the time they need to kill things instead of doing it himself.
The combination of a Dexterity boost and a size boost gain him multiple advantages with his schtick (reach out to 20', size modifier to CMB/CMD). The Dexterity boost is truly optional, as he already wears a +2 belt.
Should Giovanni start whining or blaming other characters, there's nothing personal. If I go down that path and it bothers you, tell me so I can adjust. It is supposed to be about fun, after all.
Player name: hustonj
PFS Number: 15864-3
Character Name: Giovanni Valdriano
Faction: The system tells me he was converted to The Sovereign Court
Initiative: [dice=Giovanni] d20+5 [/dice
Perception: [dice=Giovanni] d20-1 [/dice
Yes, he depends on readying weapons when he thinks something might happen and then using his Combat Reflexes to stop opponents before he acts the first time. I haven't had the spare feat for Quick Draw. Seriously.
Oh, yeah, and at 6 AOOs per Round, he can interfere with a LOT of enemy activity . . ..
Cool, so Giovanni it looks like your type of build is going to require some teamwork between you and I, because often you will be taking AOO’s during my (the DM’s) posts. It’s a challenge I think I am up to :)
Do you have a way that you have done this in the past that you prefer? If not, I am leaning towards you providing me a bit of a script (as detailed as you want) with the order and conditions in which you will take your AOOs. When I move the NPCs in such a way that they provoke from you, I would then follow the script and roll the AOO. Have you seen a way that works better?
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Hello all!
It's been a while since I've played with Amaranti, so I'll need to double-check the stats are correct in profile.
So, Amaranti is a chained summoner. He rides his serpentine eidolon, and tries to get a lance-charge (which doesn't happen too often...) Unfortunately, he is the exact opposite of a skill monkey...
Player name: Jyri
PFS Number: 96960-4
Character Name: Amaranti
Faction: Scarab Sages
Initiative: [dice=Amaranti] d20+2 [/dice
Perception: [dice=Amaranti] d20+0 [/dice
Initiative: [dice=Kaisharga] d20+4 [/dice
Perception: [dice=Kaisharga] d20+11 [/dice
And no worries, no multiattack pounce here.
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Cool, so Giovanni it looks like your type of build is going to require some teamwork between you and I, because often you will be taking AOO’s during my (the DM’s) posts. It’s a challenge I think I am up to :)
Do you have a way that you have done this in the past that you prefer? If not, I am leaning towards you providing me a bit of a script (as detailed as you want) with the order and conditions in which you will take your AOOs. When I move the NPCs in such a way that they provoke from you, I would then follow the script and roll the AOO. Have you seen a way that works better?
Yeah, I prefer gathering around a map and going "Wait. Right there. I want to take this AOO." That does NOT work well in a PBP setting, however.
The script idea is really simplest.
Against armed critters, I like to Trip them at the first opportunity (provoking attacks from anyone who threatens them if successful), and then in response to that attempt to disarm them. That's 2 AOOs in around, but when it works, threats start vanishing.
I use Reposition instead of Trip for flying opponents.
Things which can't Disarm I simply try to hit for damage on that AOO instead.
When an opponent draws and then stands, I disarm as they stand.
If they stand unarmed, depending on position, mood, and how close they are to companions with AOOs available, I will either simply hit for damage or attempt to reposition in order to provoke for my companions. (Any critter that is a real threat won't normally allow me to move them very far.) By this point I normally have some idea how far I am likely to beat their CMD, so I can guess whether I should try the reposition to provoke or to just move them away from anyone squishy.
I'll try to build a look-up table as the script.
Yes, Giovanni enjoys making enemy warriors look incompetent.
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Player name: Zach D.
PFS Number: 133462-3
Character Name: Fandral
Faction: The Exchange
Initiative: [dice=Fandral] d20+9 [/dice
Perception: [dice=Giovanni] d20+10 [/dice
Spending-
Lucky Enhancement on +1 pistol- 6000gp
Besmara's Tricorne-2600gp
Headband of Vast Intelligence +2-4000gp
Fandral enjoys towing with opponents. Usually he will parry unless the enemy is large or bigger.
I usually put in parry and riposte in spoilers. He will always keep 1 grit/panache in reserve.
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Hello, darlings! Hrothdane here.
Since we look good on martials, I think I will be playing Avelina, my sorcerer/evangelist of Iomedae.
This is her second to last game before Eyes of the Ten. She doesn't know she's an arcane spellcaster, hence her lack of knowledge (arcana) and spellcraft and abysmal wisdom, and insists vehemently she's the servant of Iomedae (who she is deeply devoted to, to the point of being in love with her).
Avelina does blasting and save or suck spells and utility via her ability to eat spell slots instead of scrolls/wand charges.
Player name: Evie Smith
PFS Number: 99807-4
Character Name: Avelina
Faction: Silver Crusade
Initiative: [dice=Avelina] d20+16 [/dice
Perception: [dice=Avelina] d20+8 [/dice
ALso, I have absolutely no idea what Luisila could be talking about ;3c
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Greetings one and all.
Holly is a combination of support, skill, and melee all depending on what is needed at a particular moment.
I tend to roleplay her a haughty young women who tends to think of most things as a stepping stone on her way to true Taldan nobility. In fact she just very recently was bestowed the title of Lady of house al-Hadir.
Player name: Big Joe
PFS Number: 20941-2
Character Name: Holly Day
Faction: Sovereign Court
Initiative: [dice=Holly] d20+13 [/dice
Perception: [dice=Holly] d20+14 [/dice
Purchases
Adding Holy to my +1 Adamantine Scimitar: 16,000 gp
Upgrade Belt of Incredible Dexterity +2 to +4: 12,000 gp
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I am about to leave for a Boy Scout Camp, where I will stay until late on Sunday (1 Oct). The area is notoriously bad for cell signals. I will be helping run a training event for other adults. Between the two, I will be surprised if I can update anything before then.
Then I go back to the same camp in the evening of Friday (6 Oct) for my troop's monthly campout, and will return earlier on 8 Oct.
Then I go back for the second half of the training program on the evening of 12 Oct and will stay until late on 15 Oct.
Then my wife and I will return to the same campground late on 20 Oct and stay until sometime on 22 Oct for an Order of the Arrow event.
Yeah. I do a lot with the Boy Scouts. I really wish even one of those weekends was at a different campground.
I was a Boy Scout, made Eagle as well. Scouting was very formative experience for me. I’m sure it won’t be a problem. If we have to I’ll bot you once or twice if we are in combat just to keep things going.
I’m going to give each of the characters a courtesy look over. And when the overseer GM kicks us off we will get started. I wouldn’t mind starting a few days early, but this is a multi table event so we have to start together. :)
No worries, we don’t start till the 6th. But to set the scene a bit, the scenario takes place at the end of the annual “Torchbearing” at the Grand Lodge in Absolom. Pathfinders the world over attend this annual symposium to share their knowledge, teach each other new skills, and reinforce their connections across the Inner Sea and beyond.
The Grand Lodge will be hosting a grand banquet for the visiting agents. During this pre scenario introduction period, it is safe to assume that you are a few hours before the banquet.
No problem ;) I’m enjoying roleplaying an old character. The animal sprits are how Wadreskus views the knowledge you recently picked up. Whether or not these spirits are real, they are real to him. (And the bonuses are too).
The bonuses are written into the scenario, but a GM should “fill in details with your favorite Pathfinder agent.” So I ran with it.
Also, in regards to Luisila prompt, I think I already know how Wadreskus is going to “have his revenge”.
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Hello All,
I am travelling home today and won't be able to post for about 16 hours.
If you are waiting on Luisila in combat, I'd suggest just casting bless from her bead of blessing and have her move behind Holly.
If the fight looks tough, feel free to change bless to blessing of fervor.
If someone is hurt badly, have her cast grace as a swift and move to them to cast breath of life.
Luisila, this is an exemplary bot me post.
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I just added the buff from Amaranti's post to the box in the map. It has not yet come up, but Kaisharga has combat reflexes, and its bite has grab ability. It and Amaranti have reach, and Paired Opportunists (so +4 on AoO's if they both threaten.)
And with the combat reflexes, Kaisharga also has Bodyguard, so it can give +4 AC to adjacent allies. +4 because erm... it has been raised by halflings. Umm.. it explains why it eats so much :P
So the math on maintaining the grapple was complex. The base CMD is 36. With advanced template it is 40. On combat maneuver checks to maintain a grapple it gets a +4 from the grab ability. I did not apply this +4 because it was not a combat maneuver check. It was a skill check. But because it was not a CMB check but rather a skill check, it did not take the penalty to AC/CMD it gets against melee attacks. Because it was not an attack.
But with most (good) high level tables, barely dead = quite alive.
Also, this fight the dice seem to be going the golem’s way.
There is plenty of adamantine here ;)
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It has been a rough day with the rolls for Giovanni. On the plus side, at least you got the nat 1 in before the reflex save. That’s a lot of damage and a nat 1 on it may have destroyed a piece of your equipment. But still, your luck has been pretty bad thus far. Though I’m willing to bet that it will turn around.
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Heh. My 26 year-old and his ~3 month infant are living with me now. I thought I was well past living with an infant.
And the dice are the dice. It isn't about being the shining star, it is about finding a way to enjoy what happens. Occaisionally getting your ass kicked is good for somebody with Giovanni's ego.
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On my way out the door for the 3rd Scouting weekend in a row, as previously advertised. I'll be back on Sunday.
Keep the primary chain ready. It is almost impossible to make Giovanni drop it accidentally, and if he has it ready, then he can make AoOs while flat-footed.
First, trip things that can be tripped.
As AoOs from that, disarm things that can be disarmed.
Flying things should be repositioned onto the floor.
Things that are prone and disarmed should be repositioned around to generate AoOs and keep them away from the squishier party members.
My combat stats include the default CMB numbers for each maneuver with the primary chain.
The bonuses against summoned critters are the only ones not computed into those numbers.
*trumpets sound as a GM Ladile appears*
You've been granted a boosted Aid Token! Provide Knowledge: Planes (Hard). Enjoy and please use responsibly! :)
*poofs*
With the writing of “drop the large cat” I thought Giovanni was making a trip attempt which would have failed, but it looks like it was a normal attack which hit and did a small amount of damage.
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Yeah, your interpretation as an intended normal attack is right.
With the blue cat on its side on the map, me wondering which cat had taken what damage and trying to bot Giovanni in an anti-magic field, I confess I thought:
Sod it, I'll run with the GM's interpretation and pray Giovanni gets back soon.
I would say that while the effect is suppressed it is “not summoned”.
So the problem here is that these guys have DR/ cold iron and magic. Which means that they need to be hit by something that is both cold iron and magic. When they are able to shut magic down with their anti magic field, they pretty much gaurantee their DR. The party is struggling right now because the main damage dealer Amaranti relies on magic (his eidolon) for most of his damage. And though he got a good hit in, they will make sure that it does not happen again. They are very intelligent (more than most the party), and they can be reasoned with. You could try to diffuse the situation by speaking to their feline side or their pride. Or by trying to convince them that you are on their side, (though be careful bluffing them unless you are really good at it).
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I think we need to change tactics.
With Amaranti temporarily down, I want to give this some thought before posting Luisila's turn.
Random brain-dump for others' comments.
• Luisila needs to get Amaranti back up
• The cats' full attacks are a real problem.
• Possible solution: hit-and-run or run and ranged attacks?
• How much non-magic damage can folks do at range?
• Suppress the anti-magic field with dispel magic
• Cons: Will the field only stay down for one round?
• Amaranti needs to be up before this happens
• Diplomacy, as the GM suggests
• Straight out runaway! Runaway! (once Amaranti is up) and head to level 3
• Cons: Hurts the ego a bit ;) But is it wrong to admit these opponents may have the perfect counter to our offense, and take revenge on whatever’s on Level 3?
• I don't think the blue cats are a 'linchpin' fight essential to beating the scenario.
Thoughts?