
Gunther the Grim |

Oh, is Prar out, too?
My bad. Not trying to call him out or anything, I just wasn't sure what we were waiting for.

CaveToad |

Definitely a tough fight, it will help me gauge your strengths and weaknesses. Naturally the surprise ambush hurt a lot, but you managed to pull through.
Group 2 has headed south after their fight but would not arrive until some 6+ minutes after your battle. So feel free to take care of some things after your fight, but they may appear to interact. I have advised them to give you some time.

Qahnaarin |

1. Are we 2nd-level now?
2. Can you ballpark for us when psionics will be introduced? I'm trying to plan class progression and it makes it a little hard when I don't know when things will be available.
Thanks!

CaveToad |

You cannot level until you are safe and take several hours to rest and reflect. You can do it in camp, as long as you are comfortable and relaxed, doing only very minor tasks, like talking or moving about. The idea is you are reflecting on your recent experiences. You must also be awake/conscious, and at most only minorly wounded. Most if not all of you are in no condition to relax.
Also, when you level to 2nd level, the trial phase will end, and there can be no more changes to your character outside of retraining ( and even then no class or archetype changes ).
Introduction of psionics is pretty much story based, meaning it will unfold as the story unfolds and if/when it happens rests mostly with the groups actions. It is not a sure thing to happen by X level for example.

Xanya Zellor |

Am I reading correct that you guys only have 3 active members left?

Xanya Zellor |

Mechnically I think it's a horrible idea to merge all the groups, though I guess it might make sense from a character perspective. That's one thing I wish was a bit clearer, an IC reason or mechanic to force us apart, so we don't need to have this same argument over and over.

CaveToad |

While there are some goals that have been presented, I don't want to hand hold everyone through a storyline. The world and missions are a little sandboxish and allow people to approach them as they see fit. My guess is that most groups will not want to merge together, but any given table could decide to rejoin Tolhemia's group and achieve some semblance of the same result. Its up the people to decide how they want to act.
Also, only 15 minutes of time or so have passed. It takes real life time to work through this sort of thing and regroup and organize. Everyone has just been through a traumatic battle, stuck in the wilds, with only some marginal clues what to do. Clearly you can read the other tables' threads to mark their progress, but it isn't a competition or race. A chief goal is to explore one's character, have fun, investigate the world, and solve problems. Different people will have different ways of approaching these elements.

Champawat |

While I'm suggesting consolidating our forces, I realize that merging into one table is not worthwhile for this campaign. What I am suggesting is that one group remain stationary and start working to erect defensible structures. If that means I should separate from my group or find other like minded individuals, I'm fine with that.

Xanya Zellor |

By looking at the other threads I see that there are several other people of the same opinion. Shaeyl comes to mind. I don't think that'll actually help much in finding Goodwin so I'll want to be in a different group than those doing that.

Goivan |

Maybe just make a base of operations, where all the groups can come back to in order to be safe. We will still operate independently, but that way we can touch base and help out if need be.

Simon Saito |

Making a base camp doesn't sound so bad.
I think if it'd cool with the game, we might start now with a more kingmaker-ish type thing, setting up here where we have a sustainable forest, river with fish and water, and mountains to protect us from attack fronts. Strategically speaking, this is an amazing place to establish ourselves.
I think I'd like to be a part of that. My plans for my character set him up to do that well.
Fighting really isn't his thing. He'd rather set up this place to protect his family. We have plenty of people to go out and find Goodwin. We could use more to have a place for them to come back to.
I'm sure doing this will be just as interesting, as we can still adventure out to find supplies, and defeat invaders.

Xanya Zellor |

cavetoad wrote:Forgive me, but I don't know who the named people are?
Jovar listens to all that Champawat had to say, in addition Ania, Borthas, Klimdon and Shiepas all nod. Ania speaks, her voice is raspy and powerful.
It was mentioned the post they arrived. I think they are NPCs.
@Simon: I guess that means our ways part here...

Simon Saito |

Sorry, Hon. :(
I feel like everybody's game will be better this way.
I kinda think it might be for the best.
But, you can still come back and visit. ;)

Xanya Zellor |

I don't forsee an adventure where heading back often will occur. Then again I am not the GM.
Maybe you guys should post in the general discussion or have CaveToad post post in the other threads about who is interested to stay in place and build?

Simon Saito |

Am I required to put my favored class bonus in the same thing every time?
Or can I put it in skills now? I'd like to put a rank in Linguistics to learn goat-man-ese, so as to foster better relations with then as we move in to live here.
I plan to do that whether it means breaking my "never not full ranks in a skill" rule or not.

Xanya Zellor |

Pathfinder's class skill system really rewards putting 1 rank in a lot of different skills and maximizing a few. Only having a few maximized skills gives you a lot less total skill modifiers overall and makes you less flexible, while only making you slightly better at the things you are good at. Unlike offensive abilities, most skills have diminishing returns for increasing further (though not the ones you use in combat of course).
And you can alternate what you put FC in.

Simon Saito |

Simon's a high Int Bard, so I really have skills in all the things I care to do. :)
It was also a shame to let Samba's familiar bonus to Linguistics go to waste.
Thanks. :)

Kiki Bitterdew |

Xanya you still have Kiki, she will travle onward with you, staying and holding a teritory is to much like her old live.

Xanya Zellor |

Once we are done with questioning the goatling I suggest to rest since we know the other camps are taken care off so we can all level up.
If someone got a suggestion for a feat for my familiar (a greensting scorpion protector tumor familiar) I would be very grateful. I am debating between Skill Focus(Perception), Dodge, Iron Will, Great Fortitude and Combat Advice. Combat Advice is only usable after I get speak with master (by CaveToad's ruling), at which point the familiar will more than likely stay joined the majority of the time anyway (too dangerous to be out on it's own as then it can be hit by AoE spells and even targeted by spells and attacks and it'll lose it's fast healing).

Xanya Zellor |

Xanya you still have Kiki, she will travle onward with you, staying and holding a teritory is to much like her old live.
I am picking up a tumor familiar this level which will ride on Xanya most of the time. I am not sure if Kiki can ride on her at the same time though I would like it if she could:/. CaveToad, can she?

Kiki Bitterdew |

if the familiar is joined it should not be a problem, otherwise Xanya has to shoulders ;)

Xanya Zellor |

if the familiar is joined it should not be a problem, otherwise Xanya has to shoulders ;)
It's probably not going to be all that much joined for a while. We don't face much AoE spells at this level and leaving it unjoined will boost her AC by two. I agree that she got two shoulders, but it's up to CaveToad to determine if we can still do it.

Quassine Alator |

Can you use Linguistics to learn a language by words only like Ahmed "ibn" Fadlan (Antonio Banderas) learned Old Norse in the 13th Warrior?

Xanya Zellor |

I have no idea how to react to the posts talking to Rahaan that isn't using magic. Are they legit/possible? CaveToad?

Xanya Zellor |

I am sorry for "stealing" "Talk to the goatmen" from you all at this table... I hope there'll be no hard feelings :(

Xanya Zellor |

That's not a problem. Simon is going to need you to tell him what he answers the question with. :)
My post was directed at group 3, not at anyone from group 2...

Champawat |

I am a little concerned and bothered that table two has pretty much shown up and taken over table 3, not just in actions, but apparently in posts as well. I keep hearing arguments that we shouldn't all stay together, despite the fact that I disagree, yet table 3 continues to be hijacked by others, but whatever, have fun. I'm learning new things and it's costing my absolutely no effort on my part.

Xanya Zellor |

If it bothers you we should find a way to split up asap... Sadly I do really see a good IC solution other than having a bunch of people going to the big group or something...

Champawat |

I am sorry for "stealing" "Talk to the goatmen" from you all at this table... I hope there'll be no hard feelings :
Yes, there are hard feelings. You totally negated what little I can actually offer to my team, but feel free. You seem to have learned anything that I could have learned and I didn't have to use my extract.
I have found a way to split up ASAP.
As far as an IC solution, it's pretty clear.

Goivan |

Ok, let's all calm down a bit. I'm sure that table 2 had not intended to take front and center in our thread, and you can't really blame them when we only have limited people posting. This is a temporary meeting and we are not going to be joining up, for multiple in character and out of character reasons.

CaveToad |

The intention was definitely to make it a short term meeting to ensure that each of the groups survived ok. I agree is time to have the tables go their separate ways again even if it has to be a contrived intervention on my part. Both tables have learned enough information to act on their own and do as they need to.
There is no plan whatsoever to merge the tables other than some short term cross roleplaying.

CaveToad |

So I will have the two tables go their separate ways and say goodbye. What I had hoped for a little RP and communication and cross group story building as become more disruptive and counter productive than anything, so I will just nip it in the bud so to speak.
My apologies for not overseeing it better, although normally I like to let things just go a little free-form, this is probably going on too long.

CaveToad |

Well it is a bit of an experiment, something I have been eager to try running multiple groups in the same world, but clearly its not as fun if they start to crowd each other or step on each others toes, so lesson learned :)
I do think it is still meaningful to be able to maintain contact and play within the storyline. Most groups are not even half way through day 2, so I am not too worried, in time everyone will be spread all over the world.

CaveToad |

If the group's goal is to rest and reflect, please begin your level up if you haven't. It will take several hours, you will probably want to finish your overnight rest to complete the 8 hours of sleep/rest for those who were awoken early. Following that several more hours of rest and reflection will complete the level up. During that time only rest and very light activity is allowed. No hunting or travel, but you can do spell prep and meditation or prayers.
If you wish to try an alternate activity, let me know the group consensus.