Yes, it is the first time anyone has said anything to that effect in game Syrus. We'll all have to watch and see how Kairon's suspicions play out. I for one can't wait to find out! :) Also, it shouldn't come as a surprise, I hope, that a church has to watch their political step. America is one of the very few places that has such liberal religious freedom. I've never seen a good argument for a pre-industrial/dark ages Golarion as being a place of rampant religious freedom. More than likely the churches are all subject to politics as their authority, and have to be careful not to do things that would get them exiled, or destroyed.
@Dolok, things look fine to me, thanks again for rearranging the conditions. Honestly, I'm not sure what the best thing to do with all the maps is. I didn't want them all out in plain view, because I felt like that might give away too much in advance. I could certainly just put a big white square over the Fog o' War, if you want, to cover it up for the time being? I'm going to have a lot of downtime at work today, so I might play around with moving some things around.
@Dolok, things look fine to me, thanks again for rearranging the conditions. Honestly, I'm not sure what the best thing to do with all the maps is. I didn't want them all out in plain view, because I felt like that might give away too much in advance. I could certainly just put a big white square over the Fog o' War, if you want, to cover it up for the time being? I'm going to have a lot of downtime at work today, so I might play around with moving some things around.
Honestly I was mainly joking about all that! Obviously you don't want us to see the maps in advance! That's why I'm going to do 1 map at a time! Copy/paste and I are going to become really good friends! Currently, I'm planning to post a link to each map at the top of the page once we have cleared that level, so that anyone can refer back to it if necessary. Think it may help people remember where treasure was found or where events happened.
Remove Disesase doesn't do anything for viruses you know.
Huhwhat??!
So my dream of becoming a healerhobo posi-lich (in real life, not with a character) wouldn't even work out??
Remove Disesase doesn't do anything for viruses you know.Huhwhat??!
So my dream of becoming a healerhobo posi-lich (in real life, not with a character) wouldn't even work out??
Is it news to you that some illnesses are diseases, some are bacterial infections, and some are viruses? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Also, in game, "illnesses" are either poisons, diseases, ability damage, or nothing (read: flavor). I'd put viruses in Golarion squarely in the nothing/flavor category as there is no mechanical way to do anything about them, and, really, they don't have a mechanical effect on the game.
No, the distinctions between ailment vectors isn't new; the new part is the idea that remove disease would be efficacious on only one of the bacteriological/virological categories -- I had always believed it was a "generic catch-all".
Hmmmmmmm.
I had the same impression as Syrus.
Also, I had a look at a few definitions of "disease" online, and diseases are not confined to bacterial infections so far as I can see.
It isn't having a big impact on the campaign at the moment. Of course if the next epidemic is AIDS...
I mean... you want to talk about some legacy issues.
Look at this line from the Remove Disease spell description:
The spell also kills some hazards and parasites, including green slime and others.
Dafuq!? What the hell is a hazard or a parasite as far as the game is concerned? Plus, with as semantic as the population has become that plays this game, designers should know better than to leave anything out there like "and others."!!!!??? I mean, that pretty much leaves it wide open to GM/table interp.
GM: You've contracted the deadliest magical virus that exists in all of Golarion!!!! Bwahahahahahahahah!
Player: Okay, I cast Remove Disease.
GM: Dafuq?!
Player: It says it kills "others." I'm assuming this is one of those others.
GM: Looks through rulebook... Hmmm, okay. You're cured.
Follow up. Remove Disease is officially the most powerful spell in the book, because this is what the Core Rulebook says a "hazard" is:
Hazards are dangerous obstacles or events relevant to a hex's terrain type. They represent the natural disasters, harsh weather, and bad luck that can befall an expedition, and are included to liven up the PCs' journey as they explore the world. In addition to these hazards, you might use an environmental danger that's suitable to the current terrain (—433). After the effects of a hazard have been resolved, treat the hex as a standard example of that terrain.
That's right, a level three divine spell can magically get rid of natural disasters, harsh weather, and even BAD LUCK!!!
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Pathfinder, if you really look into it, has a lot of rules that should come accompanied with the Benny Hill theme
Pathfinder, if you really look into it, has a lot of rules that should come accompanied with the Benny Hill theme
That's two literal out loud laughs you guys have given me today. Thanks. :)
Fine, fine. Level 5, Kairon wins at all the things.
lol
If only a couple of them per day, . . . .
But it's the only spell he's prepping from that point forward. Apart from Fire domain stuff, natch.
Fireball to start forest fire. Townsfolk send for help. Kairon and crew advance to nonlethal heat damage area. Remove disease. Hazard "killed". And there is much rejoicing.
I agree totally about the rules vagueness.
But disease in it's normal usage includes cancer, which is caused by the bodies own cells mutating and reproducing, heart disease which is often due to cholesterol build up, joint decay, as well as bacteria, virus's and parasites.
If you take the rules literally, but with some sense, the spell cures diseases like anthrax, senile dementia and AIDS modern medicine can't cure.
Well, the spell could "kill" cancer, bacteria, viruses, parasites, etc. But if it "kills" things like heart disease and joint decay, that will probably leave the person worse off than before their disease was "killed."
Frick, that's three today. You people are "killing" me. :D
And here's a link to the "posi-lich healerhobo" bit I mentioned earlier.
Is there a chance I'll indirectly cast raise thread?
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And here's a link to the "posi-lich healerhobo" bit I mentioned earlier.
Is there a chance I'll indirectly cast raise thread?
Or possibly Raze Thread?
There's that, too, Illiam.
DISCLAIMER: I chipped in my 2 cp there, and left well enough alone. Going back, I find yet another "Maxed Stealth Check Religio-Political Cussin'/Discussin'", so be on your guard if you choose to peruse it.
Or possibly Raze Dead?
Here's what I'm saying on this latest topic:
As a lover of fine sciences, this intrigues me. But I must add, it's more like the antibacterial holy hand grenade. "On noes! We have caught the sniffles!" Cue Kairon kicking down the door. Y'all want ta live, I'd reccamend this here magic." Waving around some glorious holy light down, Kairon walks away as the house catches on fire.
Side inquiry, do any of you consider your character's alter version? All of us had THE CALL TO ADVENTURE! tm, but what if it had be refused or came somewhere else. CE Bloodrager Goruck seems like an unpleasant person.
Could y'all tell the difference between NG Sarenite Kairon and NE impostor Kairon??
Everything is proceeding according to my design!
Muhuwahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!!
Totally kidding about that last . . . . .
Ish.
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I feel like evil you and evil me would be rivals in evil.
Well, the spell could "kill" cancer, bacteria, viruses, parasites, etc. But if it "kills" things like heart disease and joint decay, that will probably leave the person worse off than before their disease was "killed."Frick, that's three today. You people are "killing" me. :D
Just get someone to cast remove disease, if you catch it before you actually die.
"Disease" is a very old idea, and I suspect it is an old word. It describes what is observed on the human body and pre-dates knowledge of what causes the disease. That is why it describes so many disparate things.
I nerded out too. Or I am always like that.
Was that Hedge supposed to be a link to something? or just an imaginary hedge of magnolias?
-- Back to Falcon's Hollow --
Yes. Heads are going to explode. But not Kairon's.
And we would get this wonderful bombshell right in the thick of our "weekend quiet time"!! lol
-- Back to Falcon's Hollow --
Yes. Heads are going to explode. But not Kairon's.
And we would get this wonderful bombshell right in the thick of our "weekend quiet time"!! lol
I don't know, seems to me the only people who haven't posted recently are Goruck and Baradim. Certainly an investigation can continue without their posts...
Oh, most definitely. And we're getting more posts on a Saturday than we ever have, I believe. :D
Oh, most definitely. And we're getting more posts on a Saturday than we ever have, I believe. :D
Since Lunarinus son of Scipio is gone, does that make Kairon the emotional leader of this ragtag group of adventurers?!
Pfft.
I have no idea.
And I rolled the Perception check as Kairon was going up the stairs simply to indicate he was more concerned with finding Laurel as quickly as he could. A more thorough examination will follow shortly.
Is a skill needed to make the cure? Alchemy perhaps? And has anyone got it. I do not, sadly.
Well, I got all speechified and such, and got beaten to the punch. Good thing the delete button is there.
Is a skill needed to make the cure? Alchemy perhaps? And has anyone got it. I do not, sadly.
Great question because the answer is YES!. Craft Alchemy or Profession Herbalist is required to make the cure. The DC is 15, but you get a +3 circumstance bonus if you have the full recipe. Craft skills, as we've already used previously, can be used untrained, using only the bonus from your INT modifier. So it is certainly possible to make the cure without Laurel, since you can Take 10, even on untrained checks. Can't take 20 though because there is a chance of failure.
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Chillel and Illiam would have the same bonus, but for flavor reasons, Chillel is probably the best choice if we don't get Laurel back. Unless it makes sense to make simultaneous checks to produce more of it faster, of course, in which case Illiam will make a batch as well.
A +4 ability mod plus a +3 circumstance mod is enough to take 10. A +2 would be enough, so Goruck could succeed with a take-10 as well. No sense taking chances by rolling it.
Couldn't hurt, and he definitely had a rank in diplomacy at level one. So there needs to be at least one there now.
Sorry about my tardiness, my circadian rhythm is all sorts of goofy right now.
Diplomacy isn't normally a class skill for sorcerer. He might have noticed and changed it.
Dolok, I was looking at your sheet to see if you had added a skill rank to diplomacy, but you don't have any there now. I'm pretty sure you had one there originally. I remember you saying you had a +8 in diplomacy. I bring it up because we may very well need it here.
Illiam, thanks for pointing that out! I think what happened with my original character having a + 8 to Diplomacy, was that at one point I was planning to be an Aasimar with a heritage that gave him diplomacy as a class skill. But then I switched to human instead - losing diplo as class skill, but forgetting to change that on my previous Myth-Weaver-lost sheet. When I created my new replacement sheet in hero-lab, I re-entered skills as best I could remember, but forgot Diplo. I do now though remember talking about me being the face. So Diplo is not a class skill for me, but can be used untrained correct? No pemnalties for that right?
Now this comes to a question for Mended. Since Diplomacy, Knowledge Arcana, & Use Magic Device have not yet been used since we leveled up, (On leveling I had put a rank in Kn.Arc & UMD), will you allow me to switch them all out, thus getting 2 ranks in Diplomacy for a total of + 6?
EDIT: And sorry if this delays things, but I'm sitting here falling asleep due to no sleep last night! I'm going to bed to get at least 2-3 hrs of sleep then I 'll try to get things updated! Or if you need to bot me, go ahead! I would ask what Laurel has been accused of. I strongly suspect a false accusation of some sort trying to blame her for the disease or soemthing like that.
I thought something like that happened Dolok. You might want to keep UMD.
Hey Mended, how long will it take to prepare the cure?
Just in case no one saw the edit: sorry if this delays things, but I'm sitting here falling asleep due to no sleep last night! I'm going to bed to get at least 2-3 hrs of sleep then I 'll try to get things updated! Or if you need to bot me, go ahead! I would ask what Laurel has been accused of. I strongly suspect a false accusation of some sort trying to blame her for the disease or soemthing like that.