For example??
These are great, but i see you dont have arcane strike so..
Was the ring i was thinking about..
Have you considered the Spell Blending arcana? I picked up heroism and false life on my magus and then took it again latter for enervation and dimensional lock.. Considering it again to get Greater Heroism.. My guy is a Kensai though..
Sorry, Iv'e been out of touch guys. Changes at work have reduced my web access during the day, and my wife has needed extra attention at home. (Her job ended Wednesday and she is taking it pretty hard.) She's gone to rehearsal this afternoon, so I've got so time to catch up on our game.
Thanks to STR Ranger and Werepox for managing the recruitment. More apologies for not helping, but looking through the thread, I don't think I could have added anything useful. You guys did an awesome job.
Welcome aboard, Harakani! I really like this re-incarnated theme you've come up with.
Welcome also to Silvertounge! I've never played with a cloistered cleric. The travel domain is a pleasingly ironic choice, given the rather stationary lot of historical cloistered clerics.
I'm looking forward to playing with both of you. The two cleric parties that I've played in have generally been comfortably effective. And having two clerics usually means more potential for individual development and customization.
Don't ask me for any advice on builds. I've not nothing like the bounty of knowledge that the other three bring to the table. I've been learning a ton from them and the recently departed Deriven.
QUOTE="Graxer Firebeard"] Ok Damoc ive spent your gold for you, but first off a few things.. You need to be useing your physical enhancement from transmutation.. Your up to a +2 to 1 physical score.. With the belt i bought for you put it too dex.. Second is a question, It seems you are leaning towards more of a melee guy right?
Gear List: Subject to change of coarse..
+2 Mithril Chainshirt-3100 Crafter and has a 10% arcane failure so with your feat still gtg.. +3 Bump to AC..
+2 Ring of Prot-8000 +2 AC bump
+2 Amulet of Nat Armor-8000 +2 AC bump
Jingasa of the Fortunate Soldier-5000 +1 AC bump
With your dex going to 16 all this should make your AC 24..
+2 Belt of Str/Con-10000
Make Bow +1, Adaptive-3000
Rod of Lesser Extend-3000
Rod of Lesser Empower-9000
Handy Haversack-2000
Quick Runner's Shirt-1000
=52100 spent
Sell +1 Leather for 555 and use 469 of your at home cash to clear the purchases..
Werepox, thanks for the suggested purchases. After witnessing the self-buffed devastation that Ashe, Graxer, and Varrel bring to a fight, I worry that trying to go full gish might be like bringing coals to Newcastle.
I really like the rods. Depending on how Megan rules, they could be brutal on summons.
Gotta walk the dog. Back soon to keep checking this out.
Familiar Spell Metamagic on Reincarnate, cast using a Metamagic Rod; possible? I'd need to get something that gives a flat +1 caster level as well, I think.
Then Nosoi could Reincarnate people at need.
Pretty sure there is an Ioun Stone that does that.
Think it would work?
There are a few ways to get a +1 caster level.. One is an Orange Ioun stone, but it costs 30k.. Another is the varisian tattoo feat, another is the bloatmage initiate feat.. There might be another, but offhand i cant think of it..
Oh my goodness. Does anything say how long you can hold a charge for.? Nosoi does not sleep or eat and can deliver touch spells for me... Of which reincarnate is one.
...except it counts as me holding, so I can't cast again.
Spell Storing weapon can only hold up to 3rd.
A rod (4th level spell) costs 54000
Got it
Salve of the Second Chance. Doesn't require hands, so Nosoi can use it if necessary. Not pretty, not easy, but enough for me to be okay with it.
Means getting Craft Wondrous Item to be able to "recharge" Nosoi, but I'm okay with that as said earlier.
Will rebuild as Menhir Savant.
Thanks for bearing with me.
Any other suggestions?
GOOD FIND.
Considering the Nosoi, you theme and the increased CL from Ley Lines, you could take a bunch of CL boosting feats to be a blaster druid.
Or a summoning druid via spl fcs: conj, augment summon.
Druids have a ton of options. You lose nothing from your wild shape either so you have a ton of room to move build wise.
Hello everyone!
Thanks for the pick, I'm excited to be here. Anyway, I'm Silvertounge, playing Jaessa Cornith, a cloistered cleric who's a little nervous to be out of the abbey for the first time.
It's nice to see this group is so supportive. I can't wait to get into the game with you guys!
I am setting up introducing you guys. See my last post in the game thread. We RP'd in recruitment so I can bring you both in tomorrow's meeting.
Thanks :)
Okay.
Sold the Pysician Mask, my ring of delfection, didn't buy the jingasa, sold some extra scrolls/potions etc.
Ended up buying:
Ring of Wizard 1
Belt of Physical Might (Str, Con)
Cracked Prism (+1 Attack)
Amulet of Armor 1
Upgrade Masterwork Scimitar to +1 Scimitar (Damoc for 1/2)
Duelist Vambraces (sweet item that negates the -2 to attack on spell combat)
Wand of Invisibility
Wand of Infernal Healing
Wand of Mount
Eyes of the Eagle
Upgrade Armor from +1 to +2 Shadow (Damoc for 1/2)
Plus paid to write spells into book.
I am now pretty broke.
Not to be a stick in the mud but i dont think those bracers work that way Varrel.. It says once per round you may reduce an offhand attack penalty.. You don't have an offhand weapon.. This item is meant to help out with twfing..
Go way to offset those penalties is Arcane Accuracy.. Spell blending for Heroism is a nice little gem as well.. Buffed my 15th level Kensai attack bonuses is just a few off from our full bab barbarian.. And thats will spell combat and power attack active..
Okay, so am thinking of getting
Robe of blending
Belt of incredible dexterity
Quick Runner's Shirt
Cloak of Resistance +1
Deathwatch Eyes
Masterwork Leather (+2 AC)
Headband wis +2
Salve of the Second Chance
Dragonbone Divination Sticks
Pearl of Power I x4
Lesser Intensified Metamagic Rod
Stormlure
On the theory that Craft wondrous item lets me reduce costs by half for self-crafting
Not to be a stick in the mud but i dont think those bracers work that way Varrel.. It says once per round you may reduce an offhand attack penalty.. You don't have an offhand weapon.. This item is meant to help out with twfing..
Go way to offset those penalties is Arcane Accuracy.. Spell blending for Heroism is a nice little gem as well.. Buffed my 15th level Kensai attack bonuses is just a few off from our full bab barbarian.. And thats will spell combat and power attack active..
Re read the description. Crap. Okay will go shopping again.
Will not buy the bracers OR the eyes of the eagle.
Frees up 10500.
Will buy bracers of Falcon's Aim 4G
Leaves 6500.
Okay, so am thinking of getting
Robe of blending
Belt of incredible dexterity
Quick Runner's Shirt
Cloak of Resistance +1
Deathwatch Eyes
Masterwork Leather (+2 AC)
Headband wis +2
Salve of the Second Chance
Dragonbone Divination Sticks
Pearl of Power I x4
Lesser Intensified Metamagic Rod
StormlureOn the theory that Craft wondrous item lets me reduce costs by half for self-crafting
Yes indeed Craft Wondrous Item does cut your self-craft costs in half. Just remember that you need to have the caster level and spell access to craft the item...even if you purchase the spell on scroll and UMD to have it cast! :)
You can ignore caster level and spell access if your spellcraft is high enough.. Basically adds +5 to the DC for each thing your missing..
Could always get that Jingasa again..
Yeah, might have to.
Trying to find something
Have you looked at stuff affecting hexes? There might some witch items that could be useful..
Only seen a shirt that grants cackle
Not to be a stick in the mud but i dont think those bracers work that way Varrel.. It says once per round you may reduce an offhand attack penalty.. You don't have an offhand weapon.. This item is meant to help out with twfing..
Go way to offset those penalties is Arcane Accuracy.. Spell blending for Heroism is a nice little gem as well.. Buffed my 15th level Kensai attack bonuses is just a few off from our full bab barbarian.. And thats will spell combat and power attack active..
Re read the description. Crap. Okay will go shopping again.
Will not buy the bracers OR the eyes of the eagle.
Frees up 10500.
I have the perfect solution.
With this much money (10500) I have enough to commission Damoc to improve my +1 Scimitar to a +3 weapon (since he can craft for 1/2)
I think the best bet is +2 Cruel (since His main trick is intimidate)
but if he couldn't bump his DC to do that a simple +3 is fine.
Well it would be CL 9 for a +3 sword, oso the DC to craft would be 9+5 for not being high enough level =14.. Damoc needs to upadte his character sheet but i believe his spellcraft should be +14, 7Ranks+4Int+3class, so he cannot fail.. Just an fyi but he could take 10 and make +5 weapons..
With a Craft Wonderous guy coming online and a month off can we all benifit from 1/2 craft fee's? Maybe this is taking it to far, just curious..
There is a limit to Crafting any item...that being 1,000gp of enchantment per day - Maximum. Which means in the space of a month 30days.. a enchanter could only produce 30,000gp Market Value - worth of enchantments regardless of caster level or half-price from self crafting.
I don't think it would matter if he has a whole month to work. We are 4 characters with 50k+ of gold to spend on crafted items.. he just does not have enough time for all that.
Well if he had an entire crew of apprentices to split up the work.. but even then.
Ultimately that's a DM call.
I'll admit.. this is a little meta..but I know at some point we'll be going after and enchanted holy weapon - Serithiel {just reading from the blurbs/back covers of the Crimson Throne AP modules... posted here at Piazo}... so I'm a little unwilling to 'waste' gold on enchanting my sword when I'll likely be wielding some holy weapon at some point in the story.
If I had more gold to spend... I'd only enchant Dauntless Heart with Greyflame {+1 enhancement}, purchase a Cracked Pale Green Prism - Ioun Stone (+1 hit), up my Full Plate Armor to +2, then upgrade Cloak of Resistance, Ring of Protection, Amulet of Natural Armor... all to +2 until the cash ran out. Maybe buy a Dusty Rose - Ioun Stone (+1AC}..if I still had cash left over.
I have also thought about getting a Phylactery of Positive Energy and combining it with my Headband of Alluring Charisma +2 - adding 20% cost to my Alluring Charisma headband to make them one item.. or however that works.
Well you can cut craft time to 4 hrs per 1k gold by adding +5 to the check.. As your items CL+additional modfiers doesnt surpass a 21, 22 with guidance then he could do 3k a day.. If you really wanted to get redic you could be hitting him with ur fatigue LoH and get him a ring of sustance he virtually could be crafting round the clock.. These prices are all crafted prices so the craft time is based off that not the market value of the item..
Are you sure? I always thought magical item crafting times were based off Market Value?
Well how about jjust adding CRUEL to my +1 Scimitar?
That is less time and (maybe) an Ok DC?
Add 5 for Damoc not being a Hobgoblin.
That would cost 1500 at 1/2 price.
Leaving 8500 for?
Eyes of the eagle 2500
A magnatist Gauntlet looks pretty good..
With true strike learned I can reliably disarm foes at 30 feet.!
Done!
Ok after doing some research the base price of the item is what the craft time is based on... This is the market price so i was wrong.. Regardless by increasing the DC +5 you can craft 1000 gps of item ever 4 hours, so with a ring of sustenance a crafter could get 5000 gps of item done in 1 day.. I just realized Ebon Wings only has a +8 spellcraft so with guidance and taking 10 he would get a 19, so a bit lower than Damoc's 24.. Still could make some nice items very fast..
Well Megan has always been a supporter of if its within the party's abilities to do she has been more than willing to let us use our abilities.
So if we do it your way... both Damoc and Ebon Wings could craft a combination of 60,000gp of items in market value EACH in a months time... [2,000gp/day for 30days] depending upon the difficulty of the tasks asked for.
If we do this ... how would you like to divy up this time and effort.. assuming they are both willing to use their abilities in our behalf?
Evenly {a 6-way split ~ Including the two new players} it would be 10,000gp in Wondrous Items AND 10,000gp in Arms and Armor. Which we would have to have at least half that in gold ourselves to fund their efforts.
I am doing a bit of rebuild to fit in, so tell me if there are suggestions. I do think he might need a hand with crafting - I was strongly considering going Valet Familiar with Nosoi.
There's been a number of clarifications I've heard of; that only items with explicit caster level requirements require caster level but that can't be ignored for a mere +5 CL.
Also, don't think you can do more than 8 hrs work a day, and increasing the DC just means you do it faster. Could be wrong on that one though.
I swear there was an item that let you talk to your summons, but I can not find it for love nor money.
Would it be okay if I did a in the gameplay so this showed up in my campaigns?
Also, I'm seeing Ebon Wings' crafting as binding spirits into objects. A bit like the old Werewolf the Forsaken.
I think an ooc dot will be fine in gameplay..
Im not seeing anything that forbids you adding +5 to the dc to bypass the cl requirement.. As fas as crafting time goes, by adding +5 to the check you can cut the time in half, from 8hrs work for every 1k gp to 4hrs every 1k.. With a ring of sustenance and something to remove fatigue you could craft 20 hrs a day completing 5k worth in a single day.. Its a bit cheesy, but by the rules you could.. I dont suggest we do that though because of the cheese factor.. Im perfectly fine with not taking advantage of the craft wonderous till after he's fully integrated into the group..
51,076gp, 2sp, 5cp - each
+2,735gp {current}
= 53,811gp {spend}
[1,000gp '2,000gp'] Amulet of Natural Armor +1 = Ebon - Craft Wondrous {CL: 5th, Barkskin}
[11,500gp] Bracers of the Avenging Knight
[5,000gp '10,000gp'] Unfettered Shirt = Ebon - Craft Wondrous {CL: 7th, Cat's Grace, Freedom of Movement}
[2,500gp '5,000gp'] Boots of Striding & Springing = Ebon - Craft Wondrous {CL: 3rd, Longstrider, Caster needs 5 Ranks Acrobatics}
[2,000gp '4,000gp'] Belt of Giant's Strength +2 = Ebon - Craft Wondrous {CL: 8th, Bull's Strength}
[4,000gp] Headband of Alluring Charisma +2
[+1,500gp '+3,000gp'] 'Upgrade' Heavy Steel Shield +2 = Damoc - Craft Arms & Armor {CL: 6}
[+1,500gp '+3,000gp'] 'Upgrade' Full Plate Armor +2 = Damoc - Craft Arms & Armor {CL: 6}
[+3,000gp '+6,000gp'] 'Upgrade' <DAUNTLESS HEART> {+1} Greyflame = Damoc - Craft Arms & Armor {CL: 6th, Channeled Smite, Align weapon}
[1,000gp '2,000gp'] Enchant Shortbow +1 = Damoc - Craft Arms & Armor {CL: 3}
[1,000gp '2,000gp'] 'Upgrade' Shortbow {+1} Adaptive = Damoc - Craft Arms & Armor {CL: 1, Warp Wood}
[1,800gp] Enchant Ashe's Griffin Crested Helm - Hat of Disguise
[2,000gp] Belt Pouch - Handy Haversack
[1,800gp] Efficient Quiver
[4,000gp] 'Cracked' Pale Green Prism - Ioun Stone
[900gp] Feather Token - 2x Floating Feather
[200gp] Potions - 2x Oil of Bless Weapon, 2x Expeditious Retreat
[4,000gp] Bard Scrolls - 2x of All 1st Level Spells [140 total], 2x of All 0 Level Spells [40 total]
[1,075gp] Paladin Scrolls - 1x of All 1st Level Spells [+43 Total]
- Ashe has 1x scroll of every Level 1 paladin spell... but he wants two of every 1st level paladin spell
[2,550gp] Wands - Glitterdust {15ch}, Chord of Shards {50ch}
[425gp] Weapon Blanche Arrows - 10x Alchemical Silver, 10x Cold Iron, 10x Adamantium, 10x Ghost Salt
[150gp] Alchemical +3 Air Crystals
= 574gp Remaining
All done with only 500gp over in Crafted Wondrous items
I think I am fairly happy without having a brand new char put to work to craft everything.
Damoc doing my sword and armor is enough.
The Magnatist glove is 6000 and I am not sure is 'optimal'.
True Strike makes it very viable I could disarm at 30 feet. Not sure if there is a magus spell that can do that but I think the idea of ripping a weapon from a foes hand before I close and kill him is cool.
Starting to think I should have looked at Gloves of Elvenkind...
When you guys said WBL, did you mean 23.5K?
Yep!
Well i guess if Megan is cool with it ill take my share of 1/2 off wondrous items..
Okay.
Sold the Pysician Mask, my ring of delfection, didn't buy the jingasa, sold some extra scrolls/potions etc.Ended up buying:
Ring of Wizard 1
Belt of Physical Might (Str, Con)
Cracked Prism (+1 Attack)
Amulet of Armor 1
Upgrade Masterwork Scimitar to +1 Scimitar (Damoc for 1/2)
Duelist Vambraces (sweet item that negates the -2 to attack on spell combat)
Wand of Invisibility
Wand of Infernal Healing
Wand of Mount
Eyes of the Eagle
Upgrade Armor from +1 to +2 Shadow (Damoc for 1/2)Plus paid to write spells into book.
I am now pretty broke.
Well if everyone is doing it, so will I.
Belt for 1/2 leaves 5000
Cracked Prism leaves 2000
Amulet leaves 1000
Eyes of the eagle leaves 1250
Magnetist glove leaves 3000
Total 12250.
Now I need to shop again.
Be careful Varrel..I don't think Ebon Wing can craft Ioun Stones they require a 12th level caster level..{the reason I did not pick any ioun stones for him to craft}. Also, I'm not sure how one would craft a flawed Ioun stone... the unflawed Pale Green Ioun Stone is 30,000gp - market. Might be best to just buy it as a purchased item at its 'full' flawed cost.
And "Eyes of the Eagle" require a Clairvoyance/Clairaudience spell which is not on the Druid's spell list. I'm only bringing it up as if the scroll is bought to cast the spell... might as well let Damoc learn it and cast it for Ebon Wings ~ rather than have Ebon UMD it.
And - please feel free to chime in here. I would have interacted with the new players in Recruitment... but the circumstances of the end of "7 days to the Grave" would have had Ashe doing something else rather than relaxing or even recruiting in a Tavern.
Also.. I know you are not a Combat Cleric... but as a Cleric of a deity you are automatically proficient in the Goddess favorite weapon. You CAN use a Glaive... at 8,308gp '4,154' w/Damoc crafting a +1, Guided Glaive {use wisdom to hit - not strength} would BE totally AWESOME in your hands! :)
EDIT: Hmmm.. I thought for sure there was a weapon enchantment called Guided for using one's wisdom to hit rather than strength! Can't find it in the PRD...{can't find Agile either even though I KNOW that is a enchancement}..any advice Graxer, Varrel?
Rememeber again you can buypass spell, spell level, and cut craft time in half by adding +5 for each.. I will be casting heroism on Ebon and giving him guidance.. That should put him in the 20s by taking 10..
Cloak +2 to +3 =5k, 1/2 back +2500
Bane Baldric =10k, 1/2 back +5000(CL 10+5 for not being an Inquisitor=Spellcraft 20)
Gloves of Recon =2k, 1/2 back +1000
Handy Haversack =2k, 1/2 back +1000
Total Back =10500
Add Stride/spring to featherstep boots, 5500+3k/2 =4250 spent..
Up +2 Str Belt to +2 Belt of Perc, 12k difference/2 =6k.. 250gps left..
I'm still here, I promise!
Two though, things with your suggestion of the glaive/deity's favored weapon. First, isn't Desna's favored weapon a starknife? Second, I'm a cloistered cleric. The archetype changes weapon and armor proficiencies. I read it to mean I am no longer proficient with the starknife, but maybe someone else read it another way. It's not a big deal, but could I get a ruling from the DM?
Lastly, is this crafting something I can do? I figured since I didn't know the guy crafting, it wouldn't be right to say I got all my equipment before I joined, but I used this guy to craft for 1/2 price. If it's cool, then sure! I'll take 1/2 price, just figured I'd be better safe than sorry.
OPPS! My mistake.. for some reason I thought you were a cleric of Shelyn! lol.
Hmm... cloistered cleric... well it changes your normal Armor and Weapon proficiencies that ALL Clerics get...but it does not say you are not proficient with your deity's favored weapon that's something special. Maybe you should PM Megan for some clarification?
As for items and starting cash. You are not going to be added to the party AT the end of the month downtime...so seeing as likely you will be meeting us the next day at the Marshal's office {if I know Megan's scripting style}..you might as well benefit from a month's time to have items crafted as well.
But consider this.. at your level you will have 23,500gp of cash to spend on items. However you can only with the time aloted get 10,000gp in crafted items due to the constraints on crafting time requirements.
So purchase 13,500gp worth of starting gear ...then look at the items you'd like to get for half cost... and spend the remaining 10,000 of your starting cash on those items as 20,000gp!
Plus from your story... you are FRESH out of the monastery.. you might not 'storywise' have an adventuring rig of gear as yet. Though you might have an extensive supply of magical scrolls as your a Cloistered Cleric.
Something to consider. :)
Screw it. I am just gonna stick with my current purchases. We are already way above wbl.
Guided may not be on the SRD because it was a 3.5 enchant.
OH! Sorry... ok...I found Guided Hand...which is a PRD feat...
Whats the difference SRD or PRD?