Looks fun. I'd love to playtest it. We can address any hiccups as we go. Thanks for your hard work.
Since Wolf is an option I think I'm going to go with that. Their Trip ability is just more appealing to me than the Goblin Dog's
i've never really played a base cavalier so i wouldnt know what to critique. cavalier isnt really my cup of tea
They are kind of an odd class, for sure. The Samurai I can get behind. Their abilities all fit the lore. Standard Cavaliers mostly seem like niche-y fighters without feats.
I figured I'd give it a shot though. This archetype seems like its exactly the sort of thing I was wanting. I was going to try to get additional dogs through flagrant abuse of the Handle Animal skill and the Leadership feat. Now it looks like I won't have to.
@Packmaster archetype: I love it! It will give us plenty of chances for showing fierce and fearsome with Dogdog commanding a pack!
I think Pack Tactics ability at 3rd level might be OP with the +4 for all pack hounds AND masters flanking at later levels with lots of flanking going on but hey, let's test it. So Dogdog's wolf "Dog" then? :p
DM Kor - do you have swaps for each of these abilities from the vanilla Cavalier? That will help see the balance...
sweet
Catch off Guard replaces 2nd level rage power :(
Though if I could take the power, i'd be happier
Okay. Have made changes -
*Strength was 12 now 13.
*Added Class skill Escape Artist, gave it 2 ranks
*Also I noticed I forgot to give favored class bonus (hit point) at 1st level. Was 21, now 22.
Jakka, the game master is asking about you in the Jade Regent game.
give em good beats, huh? is Quivrel gonna do some beatboxing?
good thing we have those faceless goblins with us. good idea!
Faceless goblin morphs suddenly into a PC!
Fakka's face falls off and he rejoins the crowd.
i've been digging into the player-created classes on pfsrd lately. some weird stuff in there. stuff i wouldnt mind combining with goblin....
an no i meant more in terms of a second character if none step up
although im sure there should be no shortage of applicants if you open the recruitment for a day. people are always trying to get on goblin games
Careful with those. Most of them have some pretty big mechanical problems and end up being underpowered. A couple have exploits that can become big GM headaches.
I've played a few of the more popular ones. I might be able to help you choose .
Alas Jakka! Can I eat him? ;p
yeah i havent played too many of them.
i like the Armor Bonded one. a little metal goblin?! HAHAHAHA
I also like the Machinesmith, but that one looks pretty underpowered. I mean they get those little turrets, which seems powerful, but then if that seems powerful why dont we spend pennies of our vast wealth for an NPC firing squad to follow us around? hahaha
Yeah, unfortunately there's nothing a machinesmith can do that a wizard with Craft Golem (or even just Animate Object) can't do also, and wizards have better class abilities.
The Armor Bonded is a neat idea but I feel like the Synthesist fits the same kind of niche. Unless I was playing a Warforged or an Undead creature I don't think I'd like the idea of never being able to take my armor off again. I admit, some of those grafts are pretty neat though.
well with machinesmith, they can graft the little ornithopter into themselves. thats kinda cool, like a jetpack. i mean sure it isnt as easy as casting fly but it is certainly cooler. it's definitely what i would do.
And armor bonded vs synthesist, i think these days it's easier to get a 3pp class in a game than synthesist hahaha. no point in playing that as a warforged, kinda the same thing. undead yeah i could see that. but i picture, say, a dwarven defender with his bonded golden plate mail with clan coat of arms emblazoned on it being quite a fearsome sight to those who would try to invade.
For most of these things, it seems like re-fluffing magic items would accomplish the same ends.
Want a jet pack? Get Wings of Flying and describe it as a jet pack.
Want bonded armor? Enchant a suit of armor with Animate Object, or pick up a suit of Golem Armor, or enchant it to be Intelligent with some gimmick abilities. Doesn't seem like something I'd want to take a prestige class for when it could done just as well with interesting gear.
That's just my opinion though. Maybe they play better than they seem to by the description.
I've played a few games with Synthesists, picked upart thier numbers and delved deep into the boards. The conclusion that I've come to is that they aren't any more powerful than a well built barbarian. The issue that people seem to have is that they can fight well and cast spells (small number and selection, but they can still do it). My answer to that is "so what?"
I find that the regular Summoner is far more powerful than the Synthesist, especially after about level 4. The reason for that is because a regular Eidolon effectively gives a Summoner an extra brain and an extra pair of hands.
The way to become powerful in pathfinder isn't to have a lot of options at your disposal, or even to hyper-specialize in one particular trick. It's to find a way to increase your Action Economy.
The Hands-Down, No-Contest, Most Powerful characters in the game are the ones with companions who have high charisma, an intelligence higher than 6 and Use Magic Device. Wizards and Magi have it easiest. They just need one feat (Improved Familiar) and then they can effectively cast two spells a turn (3 with Quicken Spell). After that it's the Leadership feat (which anyone can take). Improved Familiar is better than Leadership because Cohorts usually die easier than than Familiars. Also, Wizards can take Leadership (getting yet another Item-using pal, bringing their potential action economy up to a whopping 4 spells around).
Summoners come in third in the Action Economy race because while Eidolons can take UMD, to get it detracts from their primary role of a meat shield. Any round they are front-lining they are probably not using UMD to activate a scroll or wand.
Synthesists are great at lower levels, but by about third they start losing the damage game to Lance builds, Two-Handed Pounce builds and Archer builds. They lose the spellcasting game to every primary casting class there is. The only thing they maintain the edge in is survivability because of high AC and piles of HP.
Just my observations. Take with a grain of salt and a shot of tequila.
i definitely agree on the synthesist. i am playing one now in a level 20 mythic tier 4 game and im waaaaay behind the others, which are a mystic theurge, a ranger of some kind, and a cleric with an intelligent sword cohort.
Jeebus! How do you keep the game from collapsing under the weight of all that math?
i dont run it! but lets just say its a lot more story. we have only had one battle. we are doing it as more of a playtest for mythic at high levels (and to have fun in fogotten realms)
"It's simple. We, ah, Kill the Elminster."
hahaha well we are all good-aligned or law-aligned folks i think, so we wouldnt do that. but that would be an awesome challenge
GM, you put the update in the discussion thread. :)
I'm here, sorry. Didn't see the last update. Thanks for double checking.
You know, I thought it would be funny to name my character and his companion Dogdog and Dog. I did not anticipate getting them mixed up so often. I'm going to have to be more careful with that. Thanks for catching my mistakes, DM.
Although not too much clearer, perhaps "Dogdog's Wolf, Dog" or "Dog, Dogdog's Wolf" is more accurate. ;p
I'm really liking the madness of all the gobbos, and Foul is already contemplating making her own dog or wolf skull hand puppet to more successfully relate to or convince Dogdog. He'd likely see through it in an instant, but he may just be canny and/or mad enough to play along, responding to "fetch", "kill" or every gobbo about town's most pressing need, "pipe and slippers". ;)
ah i should have played a goblin ninja or alchemist. those are my favorite goblins. or blue goblin psions. but i figured since we needed healing, a goblin druid would be fun too. especially when i get wild shape :D
Hey guys, sorry I wasn't on all weekend, I had the flu. Doing better now.
eugh i feel for you. i got a bad case of the cold, put me down as well. praise be to nyquil and dayquil!
Yep, I'm battling some flubug too. Rest up as much as you can folks!
I was wondering if anyone was going to try something like that. This is going to be fun. :D
("Sit Dogdog, sit!"
"Now Roll over 19. Good boy"
Feeds Dogdog severed fingers and a dried eyeball treaty.) ;P
Bark! Wagwagwag.
"Ah! Dassa good boi! Good boi!"
/threadjack ;p
Let's splat those beetles that are left...
GM-
Dogdog's whip is in his off hand. He usually uses it when things are too far away to reach or dangerous to get next to. His main weapon is his Scizore, which is basically a metal and bone wolf-jaw that he wears kind of like a gauntlet. (it deals a d8, where the whip only deals a d3)
d8 on a small guy? nice
Scizores are pretty cool.