School conjuration (creation); Level sorcerer/wizard 2
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, M (spider web)
Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Effect webs in a 20-ft.-radius spread
Duration 10 min./level (D)
ok, so im looking for some sort of 3 dimensional ruling on this.
is this 20ft radius meaning it can make a 40 foot wall between 2 trees (think like spiderman making a web across an allyway) or does this cover an area horizontally of 20 feet X feet high with web or ??
It radiates out 20' in all directions.
I'd rule if you were spiderclimbing on one of those tree's you could do it but you couldn't chnage the orientation of the spell standing on the ground.
A similiar application could be used to web over a doorway again if you were standing on the way via spiderclimb or some other method the web could be used relative to you position as you describe.
So one vote sphere, one vote plane.
Any definitive answer from source?
A spread spell extends out like a burst but can turn corners. You select the point of origin, and the spell spreads out a given distance in all directions. Figure the area the spell effect fills by taking into account any turns the spell effect takes.
By the RAW it's a sphere, bold is mine.
A spread spell extends out like a burst but can turn corners. You select the point of origin, and the spell spreads out a given distance in all directions. Figure the area the spell effect fills by taking into account any turns the spell effect takes.By the RAW it's a sphere, bold is mine.
Ok, so we are in a field, and you web an area with nothing but recently cut grass. Does it stay a 20' sphere, or does it collapse into web on the ground having almost no effect?
Ok, so we are in a field, and you web an area with nothing but recently cut grass. Does it stay a 20' sphere, or does it collapse into web on the ground having almost no effect?A spread spell extends out like a burst but can turn corners. You select the point of origin, and the spell spreads out a given distance in all directions. Figure the area the spell effect fills by taking into account any turns the spell effect takes.By the RAW it's a sphere, bold is mine.
Yes, that's exactly what happens. In fact, the spell just disappears.
These masses must be anchored to two or more solid and diametrically opposed points or else the web collapses upon itself and disappears.
Since your example of a field does not contain two solid and diametrically opposed points, this web spell will just vanish.
Also note that this bit of the spell that I quoted answers the OP as well. If you have two solid and diametrically opposed points (like a pair of trees - technically each tree is a series of points, more or less in a line up the trunk) your web will fill the speace between these trees.
But if those two trees are the only viable sets of points, then the web will not be spherical because there are no other anchor points outside of the general plane between the two trees. But, if you add a 3rd tree, forming something like a triangle (if you look straight down at them from above), and all three trees are within the area of effect of the web spell, then your web spell will fill that triangle.
(of course, trees have limbs, and those limbs give even more anchor points, so the two tree trunks are really not the only sets of points - however, most people walking on the ground are below these limbs so that mass of webs over their heads in the branches may not have much effect, unless we're trying to stop fliers, or brachiators).
Leave that stuff up to the DM.
How big and solid do the anchor points have to be? What if they move later? Can you use two strategically placed people/creatures as your anchor points? Two Treants for example?
Good questions. The book doesn't talk about this, and I don't see anything official after a quick search.
My answers would be:
"Solid" (which is stipulated in the spell description) does not apply to creatres (even to solid creatures). If it isn't part of the landscape (trees, BIG rocks, cliff faces, stone or good wooden walls of buildings, dungeon hallways, etc.) then it isn't solid. There may be some gray area, like a closed door might be solid (as long as it stays closed), or a flimsy wooden wall might be just solid enough to anchor the spell.
But if you want to use a creature as a "solid" anchor point, I would veto that. Unless we're talking about Atlas, or something just as big.
Somewhere in that gray area might be a stationary stone or iron golem that isn't moving. Since I would allow a huge statue to anchor a Web spell, I would probably allow a similar golem to anchor it as long as the golem were stationary. I might make the same ruling for two treants as long as they have put down their roots and remain stationary like an ordinary couple of trees.
Which takes us to your next question, what if the anchors start walking around after you use them to anchor a Web spell? In that case, I would count them as being caught in the Web and having to use their STR to move like anyone else. And if they break free, then the Web loses that anchor point (and might very well vanish at that point).
Leave that stuff up to the DM.
And what if he is the DM? Or are we being prejudiced against zombie DMs?
I'm sorry, I should have been clearer.
Leave that stuff up to the DM_Blake. Cheers!
Ok, so we are in a field, and you web an area with nothing but recently cut grass. Does it stay a 20' sphere, or does it collapse into web on the ground having almost no effect?A spread spell extends out like a burst but can turn corners. You select the point of origin, and the spell spreads out a given distance in all directions. Figure the area the spell effect fills by taking into account any turns the spell effect takes.By the RAW it's a sphere, bold is mine.Yes, that's exactly what happens. In fact, the spell just disappears.
These masses must be anchored to two or more solid and diametrically opposed points or else the web collapses upon itself and disappears.Since your example of a field does not contain two solid and diametrically opposed points, this web spell will just vanish.
Also note that this bit of the spell that I quoted answers the OP as well. If you have two solid and diametrically opposed points (like a pair of trees - technically each tree is a series of points, more or less in a line up the trunk) your web will fill the speace between these trees.
But if those two trees are the only viable sets of points, then the web will not be spherical because there are no other anchor points outside of the general plane between the two trees. But, if you add a 3rd tree, forming something like a triangle (if you look straight down at them from above), and all three trees are within the area of effect of the web spell, then your web spell will fill that triangle.
(of course, trees have limbs, and those limbs give even more anchor points, so the two tree trunks are really not the only sets of points - however, most people walking on the ground are below these limbs so that mass of webs over their heads in the branches may not have much effect, unless we're trying to stop fliers, or brachiators).
Ok, that is the way i've been playing it, i have a player who loves his web and is always trying to do bizarre stuff with it.