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Is it possible to buy, or create, Spears made entirely of a metallic compound, like steel, or Iron?
I know the Salamander uses metal Spears to conduct it's heat into attacks, so I figure it is doable.
In game terms? probably no. By RAW you can not make it with mithral for example.
Well, how do Salamanders come by them?
The only way I can think of doing it in game terms is by using the Metal mystery for Oracle.
I don't see any reference saying that you cannot have a Iron/Steel Spear. I have had a player that used a iron spear in one of my PFS games, and did not see a problem with it.
Seems like a really weird thing to keep crazy unavailable.
Should be possible. I have a steel handled shovel that's not much heavier than a wooden one. You might have to use one of the better quality ores to do it with medieval metallurgy, but it should be doable. I'd be tempted to say masterwork only.
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As a GM, I'd allow you to make a mithral-hafted spear without any problems. Mithral weighs half as much as steel, comparable to wood, so the balance and function of the weapon could be maintained with minor engineering tweaks.
I was simply looking to create something that would survive a trip to the Plane of Fire, for a Spear focused PC.
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Atarlost wrote: Should be possible. I have a steel handled shovel that's not much heavier than a wooden one. You might have to use one of the better quality ores to do it with medieval metallurgy, but it should be doable. I'd be tempted to say masterwork only. But...it's not medieval metallurgy. Dwarves and elves certainly have better than medieval metallurgy. I bet orcs probably don't, but most of the core races do.
By RAW...take one off the first dead salamander you meet in the plane of fire :P .
No so much RAW...yeah, I'd allow it as a masterwork item with a additional custom item price tag.
Can I just summon a Salamander, and have him make one?
Is that what it would take?
blackbloodtroll wrote: Can I just summon a Salamander, and have him make one?
Is that what it would take?
No, summon spell is too short to have him make you one and summoned stuff goes poof when the spell ends so you will have to just kill one on it's native plane and take it.
Cold Napalm wrote: blackbloodtroll wrote: Can I just summon a Salamander, and have him make one?
Is that what it would take?
No, summon spell is too short to have him make you one and summoned stuff goes poof when the spell ends so you will have to just kill one on it's native plane and take it. So, a Planar Ally spell is needed?
blackbloodtroll wrote: Cold Napalm wrote: blackbloodtroll wrote: Can I just summon a Salamander, and have him make one?
Is that what it would take?
No, summon spell is too short to have him make you one and summoned stuff goes poof when the spell ends so you will have to just kill one on it's native plane and take it. So, a Planar Ally spell is needed? Or Planar Binding, if you'd rather have zero labor costs.
Planar Ally, buy his spear (or just kill it I suppose after the summon if you want to be evilly)
My hope is to not need to take such extreme measures.
Is there some sort of unique Magic Spear that is metal?
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Sky had a great all-metal spear in "Hero" (Jet Li movie). I think it was supposed to be silver (although the prop was more likely aluminum).
Mosaic wrote: Sky had a great all-metal spear in "Hero" (Jet Li movie). I think it was supposed to be silver (although the prop was more likely aluminum). This is the fight you mentioned. It was my favorite fight in the movie:)
blackbloodtroll wrote: My hope is to not need to take such extreme measures.
Is there some sort of unique Magic Spear that is metal?
There is Ironwood. The description states that it is as resistant to fire as steel although it is also as heavy too.
Planar ally or binding could work yes. Or you can visit the plane of fire via plane shift and buy one from the salamanders that live there. Or kill one and take it... :P .
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Ultimate equipment has a bunch of materials you can use to make the spear..thinking Fire-Forged Steel makes sense to me.
Slamy Mcbiteo wrote: Ultimate equipment has a bunch of materials you can use to make the spear..thinking Fire-Forged Steel makes sense to me. I thought about that. It is making the shaft of metallic substance that seems to be lacking in rules coverage.
I am willing to take the benefits/drawbacks of wielding a metal weapon, as far as it pertains to spells and abilities.
I hope to be able to avoid any resistance from my DM, but I like to have my bases covered prior to bringing something like this up to him.
If allowed, how would this effect it's Hardness, weight, and hit points?
blackbloodtroll wrote: Slamy Mcbiteo wrote: Ultimate equipment has a bunch of materials you can use to make the spear..thinking Fire-Forged Steel makes sense to me. I thought about that. It is making the shaft of metallic substance that seems to be lacking in rules coverage.
I am willing to take the benefits/drawbacks of wielding a metal weapon, as far as it pertains to spells and abilities.
I hope to be able to avoid any resistance from my DM, but I like to have my bases covered prior to bringing something like this up to him.
If allowed, how would this effect it's Hardness, weight, and hit points? Don't know about weight, but for hardness, the GM screen has an entry on this:
Light and one-handed metal hafted weapons have 10 hardness but it mentions nothing about two-handed metal hafted weapons THOUGH, a normal two-handed hafted weapon has 5 hardness, so I'm guessing if it's metal it'll also be 10 hardness. A Light metal hafted weapon has 10HP, a one-handed metal hafted weapon has 20 HP, nothing is recorded about a two-handed metal hafted weapon HP though I'd probably go with 30 HP.
I was looking through the Advanced Race Guide and I ran across this:
Undine Weaponshaft wrote: Undines incorporate a unique design when crafting shafted weapons such as quarterstaves, spears, and tridents. Instead of a solid shaft, the weapon is built around a pipe of wood or metal, with the butt end sealed and the front end left open. As a full-round action, an undine can make a single melee attack with the weapon and use her hydraulic push spell-like ability against the target of that melee attack. The weapon otherwise functions like a standard weapon of its type, and can be made of special materials (such as mithral or adamantine) and masterwork quality. So apparently it's possible to make a spearshaft from a metal pipe. It's a +300gp modification. Seems a little steep for a simple metal pole, but pretty inexpensive when it comes to the big picture.
Holy crap, that is a legit method! No need to summon Salamanders.
Nice find!
MacGurcules wrote:
So apparently it's possible to make a spearshaft from a metal pipe. It's a +300gp modification. Seems a little steep for a simple metal pole, but pretty inexpensive when it comes to the big picture.
pipes (at least good sturdy pipes) are harder to make than solid poles.
Early water pipes were made of hoop and stave construction exactly like barrels were. Steel pipe was made by spiraling a band of metal into a cylinder, and riveting it tight.
Neither of those designs would be suitable for a weapon shaft. I don't see why a sheet of metal could not be rolled and welded into a hollow shaft though. As cwslyclgh, has said, it would cost more to fabricate such a thing.
Cast iron was, and still is, used for pipe, but is entirely too brittle for the purpose, of a weapon shaft.
Well, with the option there, I might choose Adamantine or Viridium, if I can price a Lead-lined Spear sheath.
Two other solutions:
A) Ironwood spell: It might actually be fun to know you only got a certain amount of time left before your spear start burning. Depends a lot on the amount of time, you actually plan to stay there.
B) Stone Spear: While it is probably due to an oversight, as written, the entire spear can be made from stone. The rules mention spear, as a legal choice for a stone weapon, but unlike other fragile materials, they do not specify that it is the spear tip that is made from the material.
I wonder if I can fill the shaft with some sort of substance, possibly toxic, or otherwise harmful to creatures.
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But the killing...
What kind of adventurer are you :P .
Possibly Mercury, or Ifrit's Blood.
1e DND described the spears to be made of tungsten. That particular metal is extremely strong and has a melting point of greater than twice carbon steel. Steel and iron have a melting point of approximately 2800F (barring trace contaminants or other variable factors) while tungsten has a melting point of approx 6200F. Molten lava only gets up to 1292F to 2282F depending on the type of melted rock it is mostly comprised of. So although you "could" have an 'iron' spear survive a dip in the lava.,.you would be fighting with a weapon that would be too soft, as forging temperatures for smithing are roughly 1800F up to 2800F. But even 'if' you decided to let the iron spear cool down, you would surely have ruined the temper....so it wouldn't hold an edge longer than a couple good hits. Tungsten OTOH can be fashioned by 'sintering' which allows it to be shaped via a powder like state into a solid shape using forms and lower-than-melting-point heating processes. The tungsten would not be tempered unless you introduced a carbide alloyant (but that's a whole different process), you essentially would just be utilizing that raw toughness and natural properties of tungsten's high-heat melting point to keep its form and strength at high temperatures! I hope this helps.
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