G'Day folks.
Had a talk with my player about a new character of his, the theme's him having a decently sized weapon and smacking hard as a truck, to achieve this he's going with this formula that he linked me -
Improved Vital Strike you roll the damage 3 times and add it together. And base damage Greatsword (2d6) + Impact (3d6) + Primal Warrior Stance (6d6) + Enlarge (8d6) + Growing (12d6). So 12d6 rolled 3 times is 36d6
Now, balance wise it's decently strong, though not stronger than a Magus at this level so I'll let it go, for now. My real gripe is that the rules don't match up in my head to make this happen, at all. I'd like to know how this "should" be ruled.
Thus far I see it going like this -
- Greatsword
- Impact: Greatsword - One size larger - [Large Damage]
- PWS Increases Greatsword to Huge, Nullifies Impact-[Huge Damage]
- Enlarge - Does Nothing as the weapon is already "Enlarged"
- Growing - Effectively a worse Impact, does nothing similar to Enlarge
So, that's my reasoning as to why it won't work, the largest he could get it to is Huge IMO.
Thanks for any responses and have a fine day!
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Here is the FAQ of interest.
What it comes down to is that there are really 3 things that you can do to increase size damage:
1) the actual size of the person wielding the weapon (can be effected by magic, doesn't stack.
2) an effective size increase (such as impact)
3) a weapon actual size increase (such as growing, whether this 'stacks' with magic that increases in persons size is somewhat debatable, one could argue that the enlarge person changes the weapon size as does growing and size doesn't stack, that being said, I believe the secondary effects of enlarge person increasing a weapon size should stack with something like growing.)
So, we have +1 person size, a +1 effective size, a +2 effective size, and a +1 weapon size. So either +3 sizes from the base (if you disallow growing and enlarge person) or +4.
So that leaves him with either a 6d6 or and 8d6.
Impact and Primal Warrior Stance do not stack, they are both virtual size increases. PWS is the superior one so +2 size.
Enlarge and Growing are physical size increases and do not stack, they are equal increases so either one is just a +1 size.
Base greatsword 2d6 -> PWS 4d6 -> Enlarge or Growing 6d6.
He should try using an oversized bastard sword instead of a greatsword.
He'll get 8d6
Impact and Primal Warrior Stance do not stack, they are both virtual size increases. PWS is the superior one so +2 size.
Enlarge and Growing are physical size increases and do not stack, they are equal increases so either one is just a +1 size.
Base greatsword 2d6 -> PWS 4d6 -> Enlarge or Growing 6d6.
Growing makes a weapon larger than its wielder's size, enlarge changes the wielder's size. I think there is a fair argument that they stack.
In any event, I think an enlarged person could pick up a large size weapon (after they had already been enlarged) with the growing enchantment on it, and then their would only be a single 'size change' effect on the weapon.
Personally, If the second scenario works then I think the first should as well, as that makes more sense to me, but I'll admit at least the second does require some additional actions to accomplish, as well as expenses for a more situational weapon.
Impact and Primal Warrior Stance do not stack, they are both virtual size increases. PWS is the superior one so +2 size.
Enlarge and Growing are physical size increases and do not stack, they are equal increases so either one is just a +1 size.
Base greatsword 2d6 -> PWS 4d6 -> Enlarge or Growing 6d6.
Growing makes a weapon larger than its wielder's size, enlarge changes the wielder's size. I think there is a fair argument that they stack.
In any event, I think an enlarged person could pick up a large size weapon (after they had already been enlarged) with the growing enchantment on it, and then their would only be a single 'size change' effect on the weapon.
Personally, If the second scenario works then I think the first should as well, as that makes more sense to me, but I'll admit at least the second does require some additional actions to accomplish, as well as expenses for a more situational weapon.
Enlarge person gives a "growing effect to the weapon in addition to enlarging the person. It is a 2 for one. Growing only does it on the weapon.
I don't think an additional weapon growth would stack.
enlarge person, while making the person bigger, magically makes the weapon bigger, without that spell the sword isn't that size, thus it's a magical (physical) increase.
So yes, picking up a large weapon and growing it works, but now you're carrying it with now use, and dropping and picking up a weapon with a spell in between, whenever you want to use it.
enlarge person won't change the damage die of the 4d6. Since you're picking up the sword after getting big it's not going to grow at all.
then how is the two sizes bigger than normal sword going from it's 4d6 to 6d6?
You have it saying that it's enlarge person, but that was to make you able to wield the 4d6 sword.
So that would make the end result 8d6, not 12.