Stacking Templates / feats on Summoned Monsters in PFS?


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Scarab Sages

Just picked up the Monster Summoner's Handbook. Lots of neat options there. But one of my first questions, was if I can stack different templates on a given summon monster spell, should I have a feat or class ability that would normally allow me to add a template? I asked one of the local GMs that tends to have a firmer grasp of the rules, and he also thinks it is vague. I'm pretty sure you can stack them in non-PFS play. Does PFS have a stance on this? Can I summon a creature with multiple templates?
For examples:
-Skeleton Summoner can add the skeleton template 1/day to a summoned monster with the Celestial/fiendish template.
-The Ape Shaman archetype is able to apply the Young, Advanced, or giant template to a summoned primate, and could further add a template with Versatile Summon Nature's Ally feat.
-The Dark Tapestry Subdomain allows use of the Advanced template on an existing summoned monster (so celestial or fiendish).
-And these can further stack together. For example I could apply 1/day skeleton summoner feat's skeleton template to a celestial creature, and also apply the Versatile Summon Monster feat to get a Primordial Creature template, and further have the Dark Tapestry subdomain to add an Advanced Template.

Furthermore, do feats that buff summons, stack different effects in PFS?
For example, Augment Summoning+Starlight Summons+Sunlight Summons.

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Sure, I'm not seeing any reason why they wouldn't be.

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They all stack, as long as you dont double up on same kind, so no fire and celestial. Or if druid could get dark tapestry you couldnt do advanced twice.

Scarab Sages

Thank you very much.

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Jeff Morse wrote:
They all stack, as long as you dont double up on same kind, so no fire and celestial. Or if druid could get dark tapestry you couldnt do advanced twice.

When you say "same kind" does that mean a template from the same source? I have always been curious about stacking templates on summons myself.

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RSX Raver wrote:
Jeff Morse wrote:
They all stack, as long as you dont double up on same kind, so no fire and celestial. Or if druid could get dark tapestry you couldnt do advanced twice.
When you say "same kind" does that mean a template from the same source? I have always been curious about stacking templates on summons myself.

What I thought of when someone said "same kind" was templates that change the creature's type, so like, you can't add the skeleton template and the zombie template, because once you apply one, the creature is of the undead type, so now the other template can't be applied anymore.

The Exchange 4/5

^^^yep. I am pretty sure that all the abilities that allow you to add an interplaner template says instead of X you can add Y. X and Y being the alignment or elemental ones.

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+1 on what has been said.

Also PFS uses the normal rules. So anything that is good rules for non-PFS is good in PFS. Well, unless they have RAW interpretation when there are multiple RAW interpretations.

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cartmanbeck wrote:
RSX Raver wrote:
Jeff Morse wrote:
They all stack, as long as you dont double up on same kind, so no fire and celestial. Or if druid could get dark tapestry you couldnt do advanced twice.
When you say "same kind" does that mean a template from the same source? I have always been curious about stacking templates on summons myself.
What I thought of when someone said "same kind" was templates that change the creature's type, so like, you can't add the skeleton template and the zombie template, because once you apply one, the creature is of the undead type, so now the other template can't be applied anymore.

Ok, that makes sense, thank you for clarifying that. Does anyone know if there is a master list somewhere of legal templates for PFS summons? It would be nice to have some sort of index for what there is and what combos you can make.

Scarab Sages

Hmmm...okay, so just for clarity on the stacking concept, a list of templates that can be applied to summons and their required targets:

Advanced (any)
Celestial (any)
Fiendish (any)
Young (cannot target Fine creatures)
Giant (cannot target Colossal Creatures)
Skeleton (only corporeal non-undead. Target becomes undead, but retains subtypes)
Entrophic (any)
Resolute (any)
Aerial (only non-outsiders with none of the following subtypes: Air, Earth, Fire, Cold, Water. Target gains Air Subtype)
Aqueous (only non-outsiders with none of the following subtypes: Air, Earth, Fire, Cold, Water. Target gains Water Subtype)
Chtonic (only non-outsiders with none of the following subtypes: Air, Earth, Fire, Cold, Water. Target gains Earth Subtype)
Dark (only non-outsiders with none of the following subtypes: Air, Earth, Fire, Cold, Water)
Fiery (only non-outsiders with none of the following subtypes: Air, Earth, Fire, Cold, Water. Target gains Fire Subtype)
Primordial (any)

I don't know of any other templates that can be acquired for summons in PFS, but would love to know if more exist. Unclear if the variant skeletons can be acquired in PFS, but their target requirements remain the same, so it doesn't matter for this table.

It is notable that if the Aerial, Aqueous, Chtonic, Dark, Fiery, and Primodial templates are acquired via the Versatile Summon monster feat, that they replace the normal Celestial, Resolute, Entrophic or Fiendish template that the summoned creature would normally have. If acquired via Versatile Summon Nature's Ally feat, it instead replaces the effects of Augmented Summoning (but doesn't replace Celestial, Resolute, Entrophic or fiendish, if they had it from another source).

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