Bob Bob Bob |
Arcane Discovery, which means Wizard only (and anything else that can take one). It's in place of a feat, but I don't think there's a feat version.
Drahliana Moonrunner |
Arcane Discovery, which means Wizard only (and anything else that can take one). It's in place of a feat, but I don't think there's a feat version.
That feat only prepares spells faster than normal in an already open slot.
What the poster is asking for is faster regeneration of expended spell slots than the standard 8 hour rest.
QuidEst |
I'm sorry Drahliana Moonrunner, I mean an un-expended open spell slot to be cast later without much wait time. Sometimes 15 minutes to too long to replace an open spell slot.
The Arcane Discovery is what you're probably thinking of, then! It lets you get it down to a minute. Nethys probably has some feats/traits/whatever for a quick prep ability.
dragonhunterq |
Also this feat Although it doesn't specifically call out preparing open slots, it is still preparing so should apply. I am not 100% sure if and how it stacks with fast study though. It should stack, reducing your prep time to 7 and half minutes with a minimum of 30 seconds.
Drahliana Moonrunner |
I'm sorry Drahliana Moonrunner, I mean an un-expended open spell slot to be cast later without much wait time. Sometimes 15 minutes to too long to replace an open spell slot.
That's the caution I always tell people who think that leaving all or the majority of their slots open is a good idea.
Azothath |
hmmm... I mainly play wizards in PFS and often leave half my slots open. One just prepares them after the morning briefing. So timing and doing it when you have time.
Arcane Discovery (Req:5th CL): Fast Study (PFS)(as said above) 1hr->15min with 1 min min. Half your spell list in 7.5min.
Feat: Quick Preparation(PFS)(as said above). As with Fast Study 1 hr-> 30 min. Half your spell list in 15 min.
Feat: Magical Epiphany (worship Nethys)(PFS)(as said above). Prepare one spell in open slot as std actn.
Feat: Planned Spontaneity (CL 4)(PFS) might be of interest.
Feat: Preferred Spell (PFS) might be of interest...
Bonded Object (PFS) - it's a free spell.
Rope Trick might give you a time out space to retreat to and prepare.
Trekkie90909 |
Brilliant Spell Preparation (Ultimate Intrigue):
You have the foresight to prepare just the right spell for the
troubles you face.
Prerequisites: Int 13, ability to prepare 3rd-level spells. Benefit: Select one class for which you prepare spells of 3rd level or higher. Once you select a class, it can’t be changed. When you prepare spells for that class, you can leave one spell slot open as a special slot. The slot must be at least 2 levels lower than the highest-level spell you can cast. You can then prepare a spell in this special open slot as a standard action instead of it taking 15 minutes.
Special: You can take this feat multiple times. Each time you do, you can leave an additional special slot open.
Cheburn |
Interesting thread. It's pretty common for me to play Wizards in home games, and I hadn't seen Magical Ephiphany and Brilliant Spell Preparation before. They look like they could be very useful.
I'm curious about people's thoughts on the following question though: When using these feats, do you still need to study your spell book during that standard action (as a Wizard)?
My reading of the feats RAW is that you would (I'm not sure about RAI). A Wizard normally prepares spells by studying his spellbook for a period of time. These feats lower the time requirement to one standard action for a single empty spell slot, but don't say they change the method otherwise.
What does everyone else think?
Belafon |
If 7.5 minutes is too long but a minute would be OK there's also the Magaambyan Arcanist prestige class. It gets down to a full round by 9th level (min character level 14).
Intoned Recollection (Ex): At 3rd level, by performing a special ritual, a Magaambyan arcanist can prepare a spell into an open arcane spell slot with 1 minute of preparation. The open spell slot cannot have been one that was filled previously that day and was expended; it must have purposefully been left empty at the beginning of the day when the Magaambyan arcanist prepared her spells. She must be able to read her spellbook or have mastered the spell with the Spell Mastery feat in order to prepare it with this ability. She doesn’t need to rest for 8 hours beforehand, but all other requirements of the preparation process still apply. At 9th level, she can do this as a fullround action, provided she has her spellbook in hand or has mastered the spell with the Spell Mastery feat. She can use this ability a number of times per day equal to her Intelligence modifier.
Azothath |
all of these methods use a feat to speed up spell preparation or delayed spell preparation.
It might be more effective to use a scroll or wand. Feats tend to be tight on arcane casters. Amulet of Magecraft(universalist) or Annihilation Spectacles(transmuter) might be more effective at higher levels.
There are very few times that preparing a specific spell is going to trump withdrawing and spending 30 min preparing half your spell list which takes no feats. Again, it seems more sensible to prepare most of your spells after learning your mission objective and have some scrolls on hand to cover contingencies. You could then leave 1 slot open for a 5 min prep or std actn prep(with feat). Having spells on scrolls or wands means preparing those spells becomes optional, it's a trade off of GP.
As you increase in caster level it lessens the time to prepare a spell. At 7th level with 4,4+2+1,3+1+1,2+1+1,1+1+1 or 60min/23 = about 3 min per spell. So 3 slots could be done in 10 min without any feats. Fast Study, Magical Epiphany, or going Magaambyan archtype(align:Good) have the most return for your feat.
A well worded Commune spell might be helpful (via Familiar, party member).
Blindmage |
hmmm... I mainly play wizards in PFS and often leave half my slots open. One just prepares them after the morning briefing. So timing and doing it when you have time.
Arcane Discovery (Req:5th CL): Fast Study (PFS)(as said above) 1hr->15min with 1 min min. Half your spell list in 7.5min.
Feat: Quick Preparation(PFS)(as said above). As with Fast Study 1 hr-> 30 min. Half your spell list in 15 min.
Feat: Magical Epiphany (worship Nethys)(PFS)(as said above). Prepare one spell in open slot as std actn.
Feat: Planned Spontaneity (CL 4)(PFS) might be of interest.
Feat: Preferred Spell (PFS) might be of interest...Bonded Object (PFS) - it's a free spell.
Rope Trick might give you a time out space to retreat to and prepare.
Of these options, for a PFS character, how many can you realistically stack, and how would they best combine? I'd guess it's based off the class, say a wizard, from level 1 to make it viable.
Looks like Quick Preperation works fine to start. Magical Epiphany seems valid as well, since it can be taken multiple times, it could make for a decent way to keep perp time fast until you can get Fast Study. Obviously the spellbook would need to be in hand, creating Avery classical wizard look, reading out of your spellbook to do magic, even in the heat of combat.
Trekkie90909 |
Interesting thread. It's pretty common for me to play Wizards in home games, and I hadn't seen Magical Ephiphany and Brilliant Spell Preparation before. They look like they could be very useful.
I'm curious about people's thoughts on the following question though: When using these feats, do you still need to study your spell book during that standard action (as a Wizard)?
My reading of the feats RAW is that you would (I'm not sure about RAI). A Wizard normally prepares spells by studying his spellbook for a period of time. These feats lower the time requirement to one standard action for a single empty spell slot, but don't say they change the method otherwise.
What does everyone else think?
Yes, unless you took one of the various feats which let you prepare selected spells without a spellbook and used the slot for one of them.
Azothath |
Azothath wrote:{various options}...Of these options, for a PFS character, how many can you realistically stack, and how would they best combine? I'd guess it's based off the class, say a wizard, from level 1 to make it viable.
Looks like Quick Preperation works fine to start. Magical Epiphany seems valid as well, since it can be taken multiple times, it could make for a decent way to keep perp time fast until you can get Fast Study. Obviously the spellbook would need to be in hand, creating Avery classical wizard look, reading out of your spellbook to do magic, even in the heat of combat.
With out any feats the minimum is 15 min. I've shown this will be about 5 spells at 7th level (a correction to my post above).
The only two that might stack would be Fast Study & then Quick Preparation, but still you'd be down to 7.5min to 1 minute (which is the stated minimum in Fast Study). Could you get down to 30sec(5 rounds)? Likely, but you are in the GM's gray area.
I still think it is not an efficient usage of feats. Most combats don't last 7+ rounds (get out the book, study 5 r, then put the book away). You could walk in and discover your party is toast.
Tactics wise if your character can find 15 min to spare then there's 5+ spells memorized right there sans any extra feats. The time does lengthen at lower levels with fewer total spells.
Retraining out of the feats at higher level would cost $$$.
Azothath |
Not helpful for clerics but this is a great spell for wizards Psychic asylum
good catch, but trade a 6th level spell to prepare one open slot *UGH* ... it's nice that some mind-affecting spell duration drops off.
This is worse than Mnemonic Enhancer 4th which allows you to prepare a total of 3 spell levels.It does make Magical Epiphany (worship Nethys) look better, but still you are trading this to delay access to other feats such as Spell Specialization, Reach, Empower, or Persistent metamagic.
okay - I'll say something evil/cheesy.
It's more a home game area but why not just cast Simulacrum 7th (or have an NPC cast it) and have your mini-me prepare other (low level) spells.
Or have your familiar do it (spellpage of knowledge) and if you familiar is decent then Duplicate Familiar 5th for twice the fun.
Summon Monster (with Diplomacy check) (usually Sum Mon 4+) is another way to access powers/spells that you need.