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I had an idea, maybe scenario's that someone played over a certain amount of time (4 or 5 years) can be re-played for credit. In essence anything that a person has played over 4 years ago can be re-played again for credit.
This will reward long time players with more material to play and help the people who have played everything by giving them stuff to play again.
I only am currently eligible to play 2 scenarios and a few modules everything else I have played. I'm not the only one in this boat. But I'd love to play the stuff I played at the start of my PFS career again. For most of them so much time has passed i don't recall the details anyway.
I know tracking might get messy but I think it's worth it.
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I don't really have an issue with this, although I couldn't imagine tracking, especially for personal records. I'd also suggest putting the same restriction that is currently on star replays, you can only replay once across this and your stars. I feel like 3 times on a scenario is enough. Obviously this wouldn't really be a problem for the 4-5 year trigger, but it'd be weird to replay Silent Tide after 6 years then burn a star to replay it again in two months.
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I agree there should be some more flexibility to allow more replays than just stars once. I currently am a store coordinator for a number of folks who have been playing for years, (Kurthnaga being one of those folks) and every few months I pull my hair out trying to schedule stuff everyone can participate in (I had to make a spreadsheet of everyones plays / gms). Our local VL plays at my store, as well as being a coordinator for another store. That on top of his VL duties to visit other stores means he has pretty much done it all Roy Rydbeck also local, and visits our store from time to time, so maybe its just an indication our area is more saturated with PFS players in general, but regardless its a problem for us.
I understand some of the issues that they are trying to prevent, but honestly for folks that want to there is still not much stopping them. Play a scenario, turns out it has an awesome reward that would be perfect for your other character? Just GM it and apply it to that character. GMed it and know everything about the scenario? Just prepare your character with extra gear to avoid some of the issues, and use your existing knowledge to sail through the scenario by making all the right decisions. Its a matter of trust, we are trusting folks not to ruin the game for others by abusing their knowledge already, why not give GMs a bit more leeway.
I'm sure most folks think this is a dead horse, but I am a fan of stars refreshing on a yearly biases.
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Should time be the deciding factor or should it be based on what you have available to play?
I could see a system such as if you have both played and run an entire season's scenarios that season becomes available for credit again. Alternatively it could be something such as completing all scenarios (besides the current season) unlocks the scenarios for play once again. This could also apply to GMing so if you have GMed all scenarios they can be run for credit again.
I feel like time doesn't properly account for what a player has available to them.
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i ran my first PFS game in 2008, didnt start playing in earnest till 2011 - i have nearly 200 games of player credit and 160+ GM credit
i have never used any of my GM star replays, and have 2 filled expanded narrative boons to refresh them if i ever do use them up. I still have 95 games that i havnt played + all the AP's. I dont see this as a real problem - i know there are a few players who seem really vocal about it, but they are really in the minority in my experience.
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i have never used any of my GM star replays, and have 2 filled expanded narrative boons to refresh them if i ever do use them up. I still have 95 games that i havnt played + all the AP's. I dont see this as a real problem - i know there are a few players who seem really vocal about it, but they are really in the minority in my experience.
I have a player who has 12 games he can play, add in trying to schedule everyone else with no conflicts and it becomes a problem. Just because it's not one for you doesn't mean it isn't an issue for others. As I said earlier, perhaps its just the heavy concentration of gamers in the area and we are an outlier.
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I only am currently eligible to play 2 scenarios and a few modules everything else I have played. I'm not the only one in this boat. But I'd love to play the stuff I played at the start of my PFS career again. For most of them so much time has passed i don't recall the details anyway.
If you've played that much, do you really need more credit on more official characters? Why not just get some like-minded people together and play the old scenarios not-for-credit?
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I only am currently eligible to play 2 scenarios and a few modules everything else I have played. *snip*
I'm curious about this, how many games days are there at your local dice rolling location?
Noting there are 2 scenarios a month released that gives you 2 sessions every month you can play. as a 5 star GM your obviously active in that side of the game as well.
Say you GM one game a month (I'm sure your probably doing more then that) that gets you 3 games days a month where your actively participating in a session on either side of the GM screen.
With that said, I'm sure the majority of games days you could actively participate at without replaying, or playing core. say you could replay the entire PFS catalog, would this really solve your lack of opportunity problem? or would you just burn through your re-playable just as quick and still end up with nothing to play? would you even get tables of these older scenarios if you could replay them, or would the rest of the player base have played them more recently?
While I appreciate your desire to play more, I'm not sure that any sort of limited replay would solve the problem your experiencing in any meaningful way, just as core is not solving the problem for you currently.
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This seems like a nice idea. I have played since mid-season 3 I think, or the tail-end of it, so I guess my earliest scenarios would be up to play with this.
I can remember bits and pieces of old scenarios, sure, but never the whole story. It might be interesting to re-visit my earliest PFS experiences with new knowledge of the rules and lore and stuff. I think I started with Quest for Perfection without knowing much anything about Tian Xia, now I could have an actual Tian character there and get much more out of the setting.
On the bookkeeping: I could see this allowed if you provide the earlier chronicle at the table and the Gm makes some kind of note on either or both of the chronicles noting that this replay has been used/this scenario was played as a replay. Marking it on the earlier chronicle might seem kinda weird, but would help the player keep track of which old scenarios they have already replayed.
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The inability to play old scenarios and the small selection of new scenarios has, at least in our area, created quite a "generation gap". Old players show up for the new scenarios, typically in groups large enough that only one or two new players fit into the remaining slots, and then go back into hiding until more scenarios are released or one of their few unplayed older scenarios is offered. The only older players who regularly interact with the newer players are those who GM. It makes it quite difficult to create a sustained community.
(It must be noted here that we have so few players in the area that we can typically only pull off a maximum of three tables of any non-replayable scenario, ever. Maybe four if we run four-player tables or get visitors from other areas or one-off players.)
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I only am currently eligible to play 2 scenarios and a few modules everything else I have played. I'm not the only one in this boat. But I'd love to play the stuff I played at the start of my PFS career again. For most of them so much time has passed i don't recall the details anyway.If you've played that much, do you really need more credit on more official characters? Why not just get some like-minded people together and play the old scenarios not-for-credit?
Playing for no credit has restrictions. It is only allowed if it brings the table up to a legal limit. That's tricky to plan with the number of last minute drop ins and drop outs.
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I only am currently eligible to play 2 scenarios and a few modules everything else I have played. I'm not the only one in this boat. But I'd love to play the stuff I played at the start of my PFS career again. For most of them so much time has passed i don't recall the details anyway.If you've played that much, do you really need more credit on more official characters? Why not just get some like-minded people together and play the old scenarios not-for-credit?
because not every area can support multiple groups of gamers
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I've actually wondered if this was going to become a thing for several years now.
I'd support it as it also solves for people who may have tried PFS many years ago and have no idea what they played, but don't want to feel like they're breaking rules and don't have any desire to try to track down people they haven't spoken with in 4+ years to find out what they may have played on a random game day.
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Wait, you can do this?Answer unclear, ask again later.
The boon is not clearly defined, so I make sure to use all of my current year replays by GenCon and then start a new Expanded Narrative boon afterwards.
Same here.
I've replayed Evergreens with Level 2 characters just so they didn't go to waste.
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Asked and answered in many many other posts. Replay such as this is not good for the campaign as a whole.
Unlimited no holds barred replay has been bad for campaigns. That doesn't mean every iteration of the idea is.
Something to make newbies sitting with veterans when the high level table collapses would be very welcome. As it is the geek soduku for games has the highest CR in organized play.
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A legitimate argument against it would be people not doing their paperwork right and messing that part up, since scenarios would be re-unlocked in real time.
As well... is 4 years the right number? What about 3 years? 1 year? 7 years? 6 months? What is the number? It proposes the question: Why not more replay? Why not less? What's the correct balance? Is there a verifiable number that should be used? If we do 4 years, why not unlimited? Is 4 years too close, or too far?
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Well for that we take our best guess, start restrictive (5 years?) and then loosen as campaign leadership gets a feel for how it is working out. I've found that not acting on something simply because you don't know the BEST answer is hardly ever the RIGHT answer. Sometimes 'good enough' is better than 'not at all'.
Fair enough, but I suspect many wouldn't be fine with 5 years.
As well, adding to the fire, there would be many who would want to replay specific scenarios (Season 4, I'm looking at you) for more powerful character options. Many people don't like this "farming" aspect of it.
As for book-keeping, this is really no different onus on a player's records than knowing that they've already played a scenario before. If they don't know they've played it, then they would just replay anyhow under current rules without realizing it. If they know they've played it before, they'll have the chronicle sheet. The date part is a mandatory field that the GM fills out when signing the sheet, not something left to the player to fill out.
Someone could, of course, cheat and change the date on a sheet (or not show the newest one if they've already replayed it), but then that's no different than someone just claiming to have not played a game that they've already played under the current system. It requires the same level of faith in our members' honesty as the current no-replay system does.
I would argue there is an additional factor. I have a spreadsheet that tells me everything I've played. As well, 90% of the time I'll be correct just from memory telling you what I've played or haven't, and Classic.
That mental tracker is going to be WAY off adding the factor of "how long ago." As well, I haven't tracked date on my spreadsheet at all, so I'd have to go back through all of that. I suspect many others are on the same page since there was not really any reason to before.
Of course, a legitimate counter-argument is that players don't have to participate in the replay option and continue what they are doing, and that's a legitimate claim.
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Isn't this just going to lead into a "properly filled out chronicles" debate?My wager is on alignment.
So you believe that any character whose paperwork is clear enough to allow them to replay a 4+ year-ago scenario should be forced into a Lawful alignment?
Got it. I agree.
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What about allowing replay after 4 years, but for a no-credit chronicle? In other words, you don't have to be making a table up to 4 to replay if the scenario is more than 4 years old, but you get a 0XP/0PP/0GP chronicle when you do so — you play only for fun.
Or possibly a chronicle for standard XP/PP but no boons or access to items on the chronicle? So they could advance their character, but not get any benefit from "farming". And then another 4 to 5 years until they could play that one again.
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Or possibly a chronicle for standard XP/PP but no boons or access to items on the chronicle? So they could advance their character, but not get any benefit from "farming". And then another 4 to 5 years until they could play that one again.
Just about blew my mind with that one. That's a crazy idea but... it could work! It pretty much solves the farming issue entirely.
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So, clearly unlimited, unrestricted free replay is a bad idea. However, there seem to be a lot of people who want more replay options. It may just be a small loud group, but I think that starting with that assumption is problematic. I do feel that we need to look for some sort of middle ground. That there might be a significant amount of people affected.
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So, clearly unlimited, unrestricted free replay is a bad idea. However, there seem to be a lot of people who want more replay options. It may just be a small loud group, but I think that starting with that assumption is problematic. I do feel that we need to look for some sort of middle ground. That there might be a significant amount of people affected.
Alright, somewhere inbetween no replay ever and unlimited total replay, how about the following:
We allow everybody to get credit twice for each adventure, once as a player and once as a GM, not restricting the order in which it happens.
But still some people want more replay so lets extend it...
So, additionally we can have a series of quests and level 1 evergreens so that we can always form tables with new players.
But still some people want more replay so lets extend it...
We'll give people a 1 time replay as a reward for certain GM milestones, say 10,30,60,100 games GMed.
Maybe lifetime isn't good enough, so lets extend it...
We can allow a small amount of further replay for our most dedicated GMs as a further incentive to GM both at cons and in general.
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So, clearly unlimited, unrestricted free replay is a bad idea. However, there seem to be a lot of people who want more replay options. It may just be a small loud group, but I think that starting with that assumption is problematic. I do feel that we need to look for some sort of middle ground. That there might be a significant amount of people affected.Alright, somewhere inbetween no replay ever and unlimited total replay, how about the following:
We allow everybody to get credit twice for each adventure, once as a player and once as a GM, not restricting the order in which it happens.
But still some people want more replay so lets extend it...
So, additionally we can have a series of quests and level 1 evergreens so that we can always form tables with new players.
But still some people want more replay so lets extend it...
We'll give people a 1 time replay as a reward for certain GM milestones, say 10,30,60,100 games GMed.
Maybe lifetime isn't good enough, so lets extend it...
Finally we can allow a small amount of further replay for our most dedicated GMs as a further incentive to GM both at cons and in general.
Maybe not enough... so let's extend it...
Re-Introduce the entire list for a replay, but treat it as an entirely different campaign, so all new PCs. We can combine this with limiting access to selected rules and rope in the players we are loosing due to "rules glut" and maybe...
[ooc]edit: drat, didn't type fast enough! Ninja'd!{/ooc]