So as far as I understand, Slashing Grace can be used with Natural Attacks. If, for example, I wanted Slashing Grace with a Claw attack, that's fine, but I couldn't then use Dex to damage for a bite attack.
However, what if I have two Claw attacks? Am I still allowed to use Dex to damage for both Claw attacks with Slashing Grace? Or am I limited to one Claw attack per round that can use Dex to damage?
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According to the FAQ you can only make natural attacks with one limb while using Slashing Grace.
Slashing Grace: In the 2nd printing errata, what exactly does it mean that “You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied?” Can I use a shield? What about a buckler? Can I use flurry of blows? Brawler’s flurry? Two-weapon fighting? Spell combat? Attack with natural weapons? What if I throw the weapon? What about swordmaster’s flair?
Slashing Grace does not allow most shields, but bucklers work because they don’t occupy the hand. Flurry of blows, brawler’s flurry, two-weapon fighting, and spell combat all don’t work with Slashing Grace. Attacking with natural weapons beyond the weapon you chose for Slashing Grace also does not work. Slashing Grace only works with melee attacks, not thrown attacks with a melee weapon. Swordmaster’s flair should have a sentence added to it that says “Carrying a swordmaster’s flair counts as having that hand free for the purpose of abilities that require a free hand, though you still can’t hold another object in that hand.”
So if you use Slashing Grace with one claw, you can't use your other claw or your bite to make any attacks at all.
You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied.
Not sure if Scimitar/claw or claw claw would count as sighting with two weapons or if they strictly mean two weapon fighting there.
You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied.
Not sure if Scimitar/claw or claw claw would count as sighting with two weapons or if they strictly mean two weapon fighting there.
If you use Slashing Grace with a claw, then you can't hold a scimitar in the other hand. You also can't make any attacks with your other claw (or bite, wing, etc.) because of this line: Attacking with natural weapons beyond the weapon you chose for Slashing Grace also does not work.
If you use Slashing Grace with a scimitar, then you can't make attacks with your other claw (or bite, wing, etc.) because of that same line.
Slashing Grace is terrible for a natural weapons build since you can't even get your other natural attacks as secondary attacks. They really, really, really wanted Slashing Grace builds to be limited to only attacking with one weapon.
My issue comes with the same line you use to make your point Gisher: Attacking with natural weapons beyond the weapon you chose for Slashing Grace also does not work.
To me this meant different types of Natural Attacks, such as a bite or a tail, and not separate instances of the same type of attack. I assumed that because your weapon of choice would be a Claw attack, all Claw attacks would benefit from Slashing Grace, and not just one particular Claw attack.
Regardless, thanks for the help.
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My issue comes with the same line you use to make your point Gisher: Attacking with natural weapons beyond the weapon you chose for Slashing Grace also does not work.
To me this meant different types of Natural Attacks, such as a bite or a tail, and not separate instances of the same type of attack. I assumed that because your weapon of choice would be a Claw attack, all Claw attacks would benefit from Slashing Grace, and not just one particular Claw attack.
Regardless, thanks for the help.
If you look at a recent thread of mine:
you will see a post where I quote a designer saying yes you just get it with the one claw. Basically, if you are using slashing grace with natural attacks, you want to make sure you only have one natural attack so that you get the 1.5x bonus. So a ring of 7 colors songbird or a kitsune fox or something like that.
My issue comes with the same line you use to make your point Gisher: Attacking with natural weapons beyond the weapon you chose for Slashing Grace also does not work.
To me this meant different types of Natural Attacks, such as a bite or a tail, and not separate instances of the same type of attack. I assumed that because your weapon of choice would be a Claw attack, all Claw attacks would benefit from Slashing Grace, and not just one particular Claw attack.
Unfortunately the FAQ says 'weapon' not 'weapon type.' It's easy to get confused with claws, since you almost always get them as a pair, but they are two separate weapons. I wish it still let you use the other natural attacks as secondary weapons. I had a Magus who lost the abilities to use S.G. with both Spell Combat and a secondary bite because of this FAQ. :(
Regardless, thanks for the help.
You are welcome.
My issue comes with the same line you use to make your point Gisher: Attacking with natural weapons beyond the weapon you chose for Slashing Grace also does not work.
To me this meant different types of Natural Attacks, such as a bite or a tail, and not separate instances of the same type of attack. I assumed that because your weapon of choice would be a Claw attack, all Claw attacks would benefit from Slashing Grace, and not just one particular Claw attack.
Regardless, thanks for the help.
If you look at a recent thread of mine:
you will see a post where I quote a designer saying yes you just get it with the one claw. Basically, if you are using slashing grace with natural attacks, you want to make sure you only have one natural attack so that you get the 1.5x bonus. So a ring of 7 colors songbird or a kitsune fox or something like that.
Thanks for the link chain. I couldn't remember where I had seen Mark's comment.
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To the original poster:
You could do a 3 level dip in unchained rogue and get it with both claws. And a three level dip has enough benefits that (to me) it seems like it wouldn't hurt you if you are a remotely martial character:
Sneak attack 2d6
Weapon Finesse and dex-to-damage in finesse training
Evasion
1 rogue talent that you can use to get a combat feat
As long as your character is martial-based and not spellcaster-based, I can't see it hurting you much. If spellcaster, well, you could take magical knack to gain +2 CL at least, but yeah you probably wouldn't want to do it.
A dex-based natural attack build is probably better served by getting an agile amulet of mighty fists anyway. Dex to damage on all of your attacks is usually better than dex to damage on just one of your attack types.
The distaste for dex-to-damage on multiple attacks is known. Clearly, "otherwise occupied" is meant to be applied broadly.
If this is not for PFS play I would recommend the Dreamscarred Press feat "Deadly Agility".
Have been using it for a while now with several PC's over multiple games, with me as their GM.
Very balanced and fun.
Slashing Grace is terrible for a natural weapons build
Slashing grace can work depending on what you do. I built a warpriest of Apsu that had their bite as the sacred weapon. We ruled that the bite did 1.5 dex damage as the original attack did 1.5 strength mirroring the unchained rogue dex damage FAQ but I acknowledge that's a gray area. It allowed for a buckler for defense, a hand free to cast/throw weapons and a solid melee attack. Not the best character ever but she worked well.
If this is not for PFS play I would recommend the Dreamscarred Press feat "Deadly Agility".
there is also mythic weapon finesse in case they will be using those rules.
A dex-based natural attack build is probably better served by getting an agile amulet of mighty fists anyway. Dex to damage on all of your attacks is usually better than dex to damage on just one of your attack types.
yep. it's pretty much the gp tax you pay for multiple natural attacks.