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Hi, this has probably been asked before ... I'm new to GM'ing PFS btw.
The PFS guide says:
"All Tier 1 scenarios and Tier 1–2 sanctioned modules are available for unlimited replay with a 1st-level character for credit. The sanctioned modules may also be played with a 2nd-level character once for credit in each mode. GMs may receive another Chronicle sheet each time they run one of the Tier 1 scenarios or Tier 1–2 sanctioned modules, but may only apply a Chronicle sheet to one 2nd-level character per adventure."
Does this mean that a player who has played a tier 1 module before can do so again for full credit, so long as they use a 1st level character? I'm just kicking off a run through a series of scenarios, and some players have played the first few scenarios before. I'm assuming I can say, on the basis of the above, that as long as they have a character on level 1 it's fine.
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Keep in mind there is a very limited list of scenarios/modules this applies to. They are generally called Evergreens. The Tier 1-2 PFS Scenarios are the Consortium Compact, The Wounded Wisp, and the Confirmation. There are a few other things that can be repeated multiple times on different characters, the Tier 1 scenarios. Don't know many off the top of my head - First Steps Part 1 is the first one that comes to mind. For these adventures, if you play a first level character, you can always play them - don't need to worry about what other characters have done. As always, can't do them twice on one character. You can play the Tier 1-2 modules only once with a 2nd level character. For Tier 1 scenarios, you can always play them for full credit, and must always use a first level character :)
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Evergreen scenarios like The Confirmation, The Wounded Wisp, and The Consortium Compact can be replayed as many times as you want, but must all be applied to different characters. Tier 1 modules would be things like level 1 of The Emerald Spire or Crypt of the Everflame(there are more). These can also be replayed like the tier 1-2 scenarios as long as no character ever has more than one of the same chronicle. If a scenario is tier 1-5 or 1-7 you MAY NOT run the low tier(tier 1-2) of that scenario multiple times without the use of a GM replay star.
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This isn't fully up to date, but it is most of what is replayable. Notice that First Steps is the only scenario that is Tier 1 only. All of the others may be applied to a second level character, but only one such application can be done.
1 XP each:
#5-09 - The Confirmation (1-2)
#6-10 - The Wounded Wisp (1-2)
#7-10 - TheConsortium Compact (1-2)
First Steps Part 1: In Service to Lore (1)
Master of the Fallen Fortress (1-2)
We Be Goblins! (1-2)
3XP Modules:
Crypt of the Everflame (1-2)
The Godsmouth Heresy (1-2)
Murder’s Mark (1-2)
Thornkeep: The Accursed Halls (1-2)
Emerald Spire: The Tower Ruins (1-2)
3XP Adventure Paths:
AP55 (Shattered Star) – Shards of Sin (1-2)
AP67 (Reign of Winter) – The Snows of Summer (1-2)
AP79 (Mummy’s Mask) – The Half-Dead City (1-2)
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Master of the Fallen Fortress is Tier 1, not Tier 1-2.
Many people mistakenly believe they can play level 2 characters through it, simply because the Guide makes no mention of "Tier 1 modules".
Last Summer this got into a bit of a heated discussion, so for confirmation I asked John Compton at GenCon. He said the Chronicle is indeed correct: Tier 1 only.
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To clarify how much credit is earned toward GM stars I've edited the wise wolf's list.
1 GM table credit each:
#5-09 - The Confirmation (1-2)
#6-10 - The Wounded Wisp (1-2)
#7-10 - The Consortium Compact (1-2)
First Steps Part 1: In Service to Lore (1)
2 GM table credits each:
Master of the Fallen Fortress (1)
We Be Goblins! (1-2)
Crypt of the Everflame (1-2)
The Godsmouth Heresy (1-2)
Murder’s Mark (1-2)
Thornkeep: The Accursed Halls (1-2)
Emerald Spire: The Tower Ruins (1-2)
AP67 (Reign of Winter) – The Snows of Summer (1-2)
AP79 (Mummy’s Mask) – The Half-Dead City (1-2)
Thanks everyone. Got it now (as much as I ever will, I think).
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Add Honor's Echo to the list of Quests, level 1 pregen only.
Silverhex and Phantom Phenomena can now be played with any level 1 character -- it no longer is locked to pre-gen only.
Is it time for someone to undertake a guide to evergreens?
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So...The paradox is that a GM can get double credit for MoFF but a player can't play it at L2 and only gets 1 exp?
I'm not trying to upset the apple cart here, honest.
While most people think it's a bad idea to play MotFF at level 2, page 18 of the current guide would appear to be crystal clear: players can play it at level 2 once, just as with any other 1 or 1-2 subtier adventure. Ill-advised or not! :)
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At the moment there is only one of the RPG day modules that offers 2 prestige, but that's only because it is so long and lethal!
I'm looking at you, Risen from the Sands.
We Be Goblins, Free! also has a provision for earning a 2nd prestige point.
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At the moment there is only one of the RPG day modules that offers 2 prestige, but that's only because it is so long and lethal!
I'm looking at you, Risen from the Sands.
We Be Goblins, Free! also has a provision for earning a 2nd prestige point.
** spoiler omitted **
Spoiler'd information is such a small subset of data points that it is largely irrelevant.
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Well, in my ever-expanding quest to write this stuff down in something a little less ephemeral than a forum post, I've got a page up containing some of this information. Corrections welcome, as always, and maybe it will serve as a germ of an idea for a more complete and coherent guide to evergreen scenarios.
I have to say, the situations in which one might get an extra prestige point from We B4 Goblins! two of the goblin modules did not seem significant enough for me to mention...
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Spoiler'd information is such a small subset of data points that it is largely irrelevant.We Be Goblins, Free! also has a provision for earning a 2nd prestige point.At the moment there is only one of the RPG day modules that offers 2 prestige, but that's only because it is so long and lethal!
I'm looking at you, Risen from the Sands.
I disagree. You'll qualify if the character played WBG1 (a 1-2 replayable) or WBG2.
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So...The paradox is that a GM can get double credit for MoFF but a player can't play it at L2 and only gets 1 exp?
I'm not trying to upset the apple cart here, honest.
While most people think it's a bad idea to play MotFF at level 2, page 18 of the current guide would appear to be crystal clear: players can play it at level 2 once, just as with any other 1 or 1-2 subtier adventure. Ill-advised or not! :)
You cannot play Master of the Fallen Fortress at level 2. It is strictly Tier 1 and it's the only one out there like it.
EDIT: The only other one that's strictly Tier 1 is First Steps - Part 1. Both don't allow level 2 characters.
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You cannot play Master of the Fallen Fortress at level 2. It is strictly Tier 1 and it's the only one out there like it.
So...The paradox is that a GM can get double credit for MoFF but a player can't play it at L2 and only gets 1 exp?
I'm not trying to upset the apple cart here, honest.
While most people think it's a bad idea to play MotFF at level 2, page 18 of the current guide would appear to be crystal clear: players can play it at level 2 once, just as with any other 1 or 1-2 subtier adventure. Ill-advised or not! :)
Yes, it is Tier 1. However:
All Tier 1 and 1-2 adventures can be replayed an unlimited number of times with a 1st-level character for credit. The Tier 1 and 1–2 adventures can also be played with a 2nd-level character once for credit in each campaign mode (Core and Standard Modes).
Unless someone's heard that this line from the Guide is in error (in which case, please say so!) you're able to play MotFF at level 2.
Thinking about it, this means my level ranges for some of the other scenarios (etc) are probably wrong since stuff like First Steps Part 1 is also a Tier 1 adventure and should be playable once at level 2.
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You cannot play Master of the Fallen Fortress at level 2. It is strictly Tier 1 and it's the only one out there like it.
So...The paradox is that a GM can get double credit for MoFF but a player can't play it at L2 and only gets 1 exp?
I'm not trying to upset the apple cart here, honest.
While most people think it's a bad idea to play MotFF at level 2, page 18 of the current guide would appear to be crystal clear: players can play it at level 2 once, just as with any other 1 or 1-2 subtier adventure. Ill-advised or not! :)
Yes, it is Tier 1. However:
All Tier 1 and 1-2 adventures can be replayed an unlimited number of times with a 1st-level character for credit. The Tier 1 and 1–2 adventures can also be played with a 2nd-level character once for credit in each campaign mode (Core and Standard Modes).
Unless someone's heard that this line from the Guide is in error (in which case, please say so!) you're able to play MotFF at level 2.
Thinking about it, this means my level ranges for some of the other scenarios (etc) are probably wrong since stuff like First Steps Part 1 is also a Tier 1 adventure and should be playable once at level 2.
Either it was changed or it was not intended for that to happen with MotFF and First Steps. I would never want to play or run those with level 2 characters anyway.
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Either it was changed or it was not intended for that to happen with MotFF and First Steps. I would never want to play or run those with level 2 characters anyway.You cannot play Master of the Fallen Fortress at level 2. It is strictly Tier 1 and it's the only one out there like it.Yes, it is Tier 1. However:
All Tier 1 and 1-2 adventures can be replayed an unlimited number of times with a 1st-level character for credit. The Tier 1 and 1–2 adventures can also be played with a 2nd-level character once for credit in each campaign mode (Core and Standard Modes).
Unless someone's heard that this line from the Guide is in error (in which case, please say so!) you're able to play MotFF at level 2.
Thinking about it, this means my level ranges for some of the other scenarios (etc) are probably wrong since stuff like First Steps Part 1 is also a Tier 1 adventure and should be playable once at level 2.
I did agree upthread, playing MotFF at level 2 might be a little ill-advised. :)
The language does appear to be a change from the language used in seasons 5-7, which was:
All Tier 1 scenarios and Tier 1–2 sanctioned modules are available for unlimited replay with a 1st-level character for credit. The sanctioned modules may also be played with a 2nd-level character once for credit in each mode.
The change to language seems intended to have made it obvious that quests and perhaps other categories of adventure are also replayable. The new language also clarifies that Master of the Fallen Fortress is replayable; under the old language, technically, it wasn't replayable. (You dirty cheaters! Kidding. There's probably some forum post somewhere...) However that exception also meant that the level 2 rule didn't apply to MotFF.
Interestingly enough, going back to the Season 5 wording even, you could still play First Steps Part 1 once at level 2. Not that you'd ever want to, really.
Anyway... your mileage may vary. I know some of the S8 changes were unintentional and the people who wrote it do read the forums at least on occasion. Still, it's very clear in the current Season 8 guide!
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I agree with you, mostly. But I want to document things accurately, otherwise my documentation is worthless. I'm sure there are exceptions, too--reasons why this might make a difference to someone. Maybe they've run out of other scenarios to play? We don't have an evergreen way to get a 6th experience point if I remember correctly.
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Wasn't this clarified as being one of the mixups in the guide?
I have no idea, and I can't find the thread. (And I tried!) I'm happy to be corrected, it's just that all I can rely on here is the guide, unless someone knows where this was clarified. The guide itself is crystal clear, it really sucks not to be able to trust it. :)
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The Guide is in conflict.
In one section, it states that a level 2 character may receive a Tier 1 Chronicle.
In another section, it states that no character may receive a Chronicle whose Tier does not include their level.
When I spoke to John Compton, he clarified that "No, you can't take a Level 2 character through MotFF".
So for me, the issue is settled. But there will always be those that dissent.
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The wording of the guide also technically allows all modules to be played in campaign mode. This was clarified to be an error, so I'd assume the level 2 character playing in a Tier 1 scenario is the same case.
To be fair, the wording allowing level 2 players to play in Tier 1 scenarios has been in the guide since at least Season 5 and probably before. (I only have guides going back to season 5.) So that particular issue is not part of the Season 8 massive revision problem!
It's just that the awesome cleanup job for the Season 8 guide also added quests and modules to the lists of replayable things that the rule applied to.
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http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lj17?OPC-Log-15-Arodus-4716#14
See the blog post from Tonya that I've linked above. You can only play characters that are within tier.
So, Master of the Fallen Fortress can only be played with 1st level characters. Same with First Steps part 1.
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Earlier in reference to Tier 1, A character's level must always be in-tier for the adventure she is playing.
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Earlier in reference to Tier 1, A character's level must always be in-tier for the adventure she is playing.
Thank you!
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http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lj17?OPC-Log-15-Arodus-4716#14
See the blog post from Tonya that I've linked above. You can only play characters that are within tier.
So, Master of the Fallen Fortress can only be played with 1st level characters. Same with First Steps part 1.
There we go, that will clear things up nicely. Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
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Necromancing fresh corpse to ask a question of Gallows of Madness:
Since each section awards 3 XP on normal track, is it only possible to repeat the whole thing for credit (to get 4th boon) on the slow track 3 times? Each time running your level 2 through a different section last?
Example:
0 xp into 1, 1.5 Xp into 2, 3 xp into 3: 3 locked
0 Xp into 1 1.5 xp into 3, 3 xp into 2: 2 locked
0 xp into 3, 1.5 xp into 2, 3 xp into 1: 1 locked