Would Sorcerer / Oracle make sense for an Android?


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Liberty's Edge

There is nothing in the rules that says you cannot create an Android character that is a Sorcerer or an Oracle, but since they are technological beings (whether they're living things is strongly debatable, though I support that they are), would it even make sense? Is so, what mysteries/curses/bloodlines would make sense?

Also, I know that Android Oracles/Sorcerers would probably be discouraged in gameplay due to their Charisma penalty, but that is what those magic headbands are for.


Seth Dresari wrote:

There is nothing in the rules that says you cannot create an Android character that is a Sorcerer or an Oracle, but since they are technological beings (whether they're living things is strongly debatable, though I support that they are), would it even make sense? Is so, what mysteries/curses/bloodlines would make sense?

Also, I know that Android Oracles/Sorcerers would probably be discouraged in gameplay due to their Charisma penalty, but that is what those magic headbands are for.

You could use the nanite bloodline for sorceror, i'm not sure about the oracle.

Liberty's Edge

I am unfamiliar with the Nanite bloodline, please explain it to me.

Silver Crusade

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Nanite Bloodline


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Seems to me an android could be suffused with arcane/divine energy just as a human could - I suppose it wouldn't be a "bloodline", per se, but maybe flavor it as some quirk during creation, a particular planetary conjunction or a magical-in-nature disaster or something of the sort.

As Gollmagg said, there's already an android-flavored sorcerer bloodline, the nanite. Metal oracle also seems particularly fitting. Just about any bloodline or mystery could fit, I think, with an appropriate quirk during the android's creation to accompany it.

Another thing to consider - for an oracle, maybe the powers are granted by Brigh as an attempt to elevate that mechanical being closer to humanity?

And you do what sounds best to you - racial penalties can be mitigated. :)


Seth Dresari wrote:
I am unfamiliar with the Nanite bloodline, please explain it to me.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/bloodlines/bloodlines -from-paizo/nanite-bloodline-sorcerer-bloodline

You are infused with nanites that allow you to use special powers and they somehow give you sorceror spells.
Eit: i don't know why the link didnt work


Also, for either class, consider a role where a Charisma penalty won't make as much of a difference - if you focus on buffs or summoning, you only need enough Charisma to be able to cast the spell, since you don't have to worry about something making a save.

Liberty's Edge

Ooh, neat. Which book has the Nanite bloodline? Iron Gods, Technology Guide?

In my home game, I am probably gonna allow Gestalts, so an Android Oracle/Sorcerer with the Nanite and Metal bloodline and mystery respectively would probably be a cool character, a pregen that I could make for any new players.

Silver Crusade Contributor

The Nanite bloodline is from People of the River.

Silver Crusade Contributor

As for android oracles...

Iron Gods:
A major NPC in Iron Gods was an android oracle with a new curse related to her past incarnations' memories.

So... they're quite possible. ^_^


Seth Dresari wrote:

Ooh, neat. Which book has the Nanite bloodline? Iron Gods, Technology Guide?

In my home game, I am probably gonna allow Gestalts, so an Android Oracle/Sorcerer with the Nanite and Metal bloodline and mystery respectively would probably be a cool character, a pregen that I could make for any new players.

People of the River


Data's positronic brain allowed him to be possessed on occasion. It would probably be a good medium for Vancian spell ingrams.

Also, many fictional computers could predict the future with mathematical models. It's like how if you see a pile of gold sitting in the middle of the room, you know there's a trap or ambush waiting for you.

An android or golem could be made to look and act attractive, and have the 'energy' to be charismatic. The whole point of the Terminators was that they could pass as people.

Grand Lodge

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Goth Guru wrote:

Data's positronic brain allowed him to be possessed on occasion. It would probably be a good medium for Vancian spell ingrams.

Unlike Data, Numerian Androids are actually organic machines. Think Bishop from Aliens, or Rayna from "Requiem for Methuselah", only not quite as advanced.

Grand Lodge

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Goth Guru wrote:
Data's positronic brain allowed him to be possessed on occasion.

In "Annihlation Squared" he was briefly possessed by the TARDIS.

Liberty's Edge

What now?! Our most beloved android from the Federation got possessed by a non-Euclidean phonebooth?! I do not believe in television crossovers, so links or it didn't happen.

Back on the subject of Numerian androids, they do strike me as a cross between Aliens and Almost Human androids.

Grand Lodge

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Seth Dresari wrote:

What now?! Our most beloved android from the Federation got possessed by a non-Euclidean phonebooth?! I do not believe in television crossovers, so links or it didn't happen.

Back on the subject of Numerian androids, they do strike me as a cross between Aliens and Almost Human androids.

It was a Star Trek/Dr. Who crossover published by IDW Comics when they still had the Star Trek comics license. long out of print of course, but you can get the digital versions at Comixology. Features the 11th Doctor and the Ponds, teaming up with Picard's crew to face those an unholy alliance of those two great assimilators, the Borg and the Cybermen.


Seth Dresari wrote:
There is nothing in the rules that says you cannot create an Android character that is a Sorcerer or an Oracle, but since they are technological beings (whether they're living things is strongly debatable, though I support that they are), would it even make sense? Is so, what mysteries/curses/bloodlines would make sense?

If you want a fluff justification, the creation process required the transfusion of the blood / essence / soul / whatever from a powerful magical being - and that's where the bloodline powers come from.

Grand Lodge

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Kalindlara wrote:

As for android oracles...

** spoiler omitted **

That one was a tad unique. :)

Liberty's Edge

LazarX wrote:
It was a Star Trek/Dr. Who crossover published by IDW Comics when they still had the Star Trek comics license. long out of print of course, but you can get the digital versions at Comixology. Features the 11th Doctor and the Ponds, teaming up with Picard's crew to face those an unholy alliance of those two great assimilators, the Borg and the Cybermen.

Which one was the 11th? I don't actually like DW, and have only seen a few episodes of the new series.

Anyways, I am totally gonna make an Android Sorcerer/Oracle Gestalt now. I am gonna have to come up with a really good plot mcguffin to explain it though.


I was referring to when he was possessed by first a moon, then a sun god. That was an actual episode.

So you don't like Doctor Who? How about Blake's Seven? Zen was totally a synthetic oracle.

For oracle curses, Clouded vision, deaf, or lame can all be the result of manufacturing mishaps. Haunted can be a side effect of their brain's abnormalities.

Tell me again how androids are made.


Goth Guru wrote:

I was referring to when he was possessed by first a moon, then a sun god. That was an actual episode.

So you don't like Doctor Who? How about Blake's Seven? Zen was totally a synthetic oracle.

For oracle curses, Clouded vision, deaf, or lame can all be the result of manufacturing mishaps. Haunted can be a side effect of their brain's abnormalities.

Tell me again how androids are made.

Zen? Really. I would have gone with ORAC

Liberty's Edge

Goth Guru wrote:
Tell me again how androids are made.

In Universe: Nobody knows. None of the androids can remember how they were made, and nobody still alive has witnessed their creation.

They have organs and bones and stuff, just made of synthetic materials. Also, these androids all have souls, and there is the remote possibility that they even have reproductive organs (which could be put to use via a Nanite Surge *wink* )


Oracle is quite easy to justify, any creature can become it if a Deity or Demigod decides to bestow powers to them.

Sorcerer is harder outside of the Nanite Bloodline, but most bloodlines mention that you can get those power not only from "genetic" heritage but also from environmental influence


Android may be a bit of a misnomer. They are more like synthetic people.


It depends on what your andriod is. Is he a programmed artificial intelligence with pre-programmed responses or is he an artificial intelligence that learns and adapts and makes its own choices.

For cinema reference.
Data from star trek is just a well designed machine and everything he does is by design. I dont think he could be a sorcerer or have a real connection to the divine side of magic. I think he could become a wizard on the other hand learning how to perfect use of know magical energy.

Chappie on the other hand is an artificial intelligence designed to learn and grow and make its own decisions. I think he could become a sorcerer and could make the connection to the divine.

I think I would ask is the character capable of feelings? If so then sorcerer and divine magics make sense.


Do androids dream of electric sheep?


Orange Dragon wrote:
Goth Guru wrote:

I was referring to when he was possessed by first a moon, then a sun god. That was an actual episode.

So you don't like Doctor Who? How about Blake's Seven? Zen was totally a synthetic oracle.

For oracle curses, Clouded vision, deaf, or lame can all be the result of manufacturing mishaps. Haunted can be a side effect of their brain's abnormalities.

Tell me again how androids are made.

Zen? Really. I would have gone with ORAC

It's been a long time. I may have mixed the 2 up.

Grand Lodge

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Seth Dresari wrote:

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Which one was the 11th? I don't actually like DW, and have only seen a few episodes of the new series.

The third actor to play the role since the series reboot in 2005 was Matt Smith. Most likely the most popular so far. Was also one of the Terminators in the recent Genesis movie. The previous Doctor David Tennant was in Harry Potter "Prisoner of Askaban" and the one prior to him Chris Eccleston was the Dark Elf Malekith in Thor: The Dark World.

New Who has been running for about 10 years now.


LazarX wrote:
Most likely the most popular so far.

Tennant is usually the most popular in any given popularity poll. Usually by quite a bit. If it's a poll among hardcore fans, Baker sometimes comes out on top, but he's from old Who.

If you are talking about most famous instead, it's hard to say. Sylvester McCoy will remind you he's in the Hobbit.


Androids have synthetic organs and tissues. That supports sorcerer spells, bloodlines, and most Oracle curses. That's a yes vote from me for the OP.

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