when I first heard of slashing grace I thought it would pair perfectly with weapon finesse for a dexy melee build. but upon further inspection I realised that its not compatible with any finesseble weapon.
so since you need a high strength to hit anyway. whats the point of slashing grace?
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It has been errata's to work with light weapons, but you cannot use any other weapon or have anything in any other hand you may have.
That said, the pre-errata version worked if you were a swashbuckler or daring champion cavalier, as their version of weapon finesse worked on any one handed piercing weapon
when I first heard of slashing grace I thought it would pair perfectly with weapon finesse for a dexy melee build. but upon further inspection I realised that its not compatible with any finesseble weapon.so since you need a high strength to hit anyway. whats the point of slashing grace?
It's compatible with Whips, Aldori Dueling Swords, and, now, any light weapon.
It now works with light slashing weapons,
Debatable... Iconic Mesmerist uses it with a Starknife.
Iconic's have some errors or flat out break rules from time to time. Yoon is a small human with no other age adjustments.It now works with light slashing weapons,Debatable... Iconic Mesmerist uses it with a Starknife.
Are there age adjustments in PFS?
It works with light weapons. Light weapons are finessable.
Benefit: Choose one kind of light or one-handed slashing weapon (such as the longsword). When wielding your chosen weapon one-handed, you can treat it as a one-handed piercing melee weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a swashbuckler's or a duelist's precise strike) and you can add your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to that weapon's damage. The weapon must be one appropriate for your size.
What I find confusing is that on the PFRD they add the following sentence to the feat;
"You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied."
My copy of the Advanced Class Guide does not have that last sentence. I assume there has been an update or something that I missed.
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It works with light weapons. Light weapons are finessable.
Benefit: Choose one kind of light or one-handed slashing weapon (such as the longsword). When wielding your chosen weapon one-handed, you can treat it as a one-handed piercing melee weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a swashbuckler's or a duelist's precise strike) and you can add your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to that weapon's damage. The weapon must be one appropriate for your size.
What I find confusing is that on the PFRD they add the following sentence to the feat;
"You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied."My copy of the Advanced Class Guide does not have that last sentence. I assume there has been an update or something that I missed.
The ACG errata came out last week. There is currently a large amount of... discussion on the material in several threads around the boards.
has it always worked with light weapons? I thought that it only worked with one handed slashing weapons?
has it always worked with light weapons? I thought that it only worked with one handed slashing weapons?
Errata.
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Yes, unless you're a pregen.Are there age adjustments in PFS?Iconic's have some errors or flat out break rules from time to time. Yoon is a small human with no other age adjustments.It now works with light slashing weapons,Debatable... Iconic Mesmerist uses it with a Starknife.
PCs do not have age adjustments in PFS
(regarding age) Characters do not alter their ability scores as a result of this choice.
has it always worked with light weapons? I thought that it only worked with one handed slashing weapons?Errata.
ah, okay. so what about pre-errata then. was it broken for everyone except the swashbuckler/duelist?
ah, okay. so what about pre-errata then. was it broken for everyone except the swashbuckler/duelist?has it always worked with light weapons? I thought that it only worked with one handed slashing weapons?Errata.
Lots of people used it with Whips and Aldori Dueling Swords.
Yes, unless you're a pregen.Are there age adjustments in PFS?Iconic's have some errors or flat out break rules from time to time. Yoon is a small human with no other age adjustments.It now works with light slashing weapons,Debatable... Iconic Mesmerist uses it with a Starknife.
So one could say Yoon doesn't have his stats altered to fit in PFS.
Lots of people used it with Whips and Aldori Dueling Swords.ah, okay. so what about pre-errata then. was it broken for everyone except the swashbuckler/duelist?has it always worked with light weapons? I thought that it only worked with one handed slashing weapons?Errata.
ah okay then.
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So one could say Yoon doesn't have her stats altered to fit in PFS.Yes, unless you're a pregen.Are there age adjustments in PFS?Iconic's have some errors or flat out break rules from time to time. Yoon is a small human with no other age adjustments.It now works with light slashing weapons,Debatable... Iconic Mesmerist uses it with a Starknife.
(Yoon is a girl)
It's compatible with Whips, Aldori Dueling Swords, and, now, any light weapon.
when I first heard of slashing grace I thought it would pair perfectly with weapon finesse for a dexy melee build. but upon further inspection I realised that its not compatible with any finesseble weapon.so since you need a high strength to hit anyway. whats the point of slashing grace?
Sadly, I don't think it does work with any light weapon. Different people read the phrase "any light or one-handed slashing weapon" different ways.
(1) "any light weapon or any one-handed slashing weapon"
(2) "any light slashing weapon or any one-handed slashing weapon"
In this instance, I was sure that (1) was the correct interpretation because Mark Seifter stated that the iconic medium's pregen sheets, which have Slashing Grace used with Starknives, were correct. But when I quoted his statement in a later thread, he backed away from his earlier claim. (He had thought that Starknives were slashing weapons.) So I have to conclude that the second interpretation is correct: slashing weapons only.
To my knowledge, the following is the complete list of weapons that can get DEX to damage through Slashing Grace and also get DEX to hit through Weapon Finesse or Swashbuckler Finesse. (Note: Many of these weapons have the option of dealing piercing or bludgeoning damage instead of slashing. I do not think that they would benefit from Slashing Grace if they were not dealing slashing damage. But I'm not sure about that.)
Slashing Grace with Weapon Finesse
Light (Simple)
Brass knife, Dagger, Hook hand, Sickle
Light (Martial)
Boarding axe, Butterfly sword, Cat-o'-nine-tails, Dogslicer, Gladius, Handaxe, Kerambit, Kobold tail attachment (long lash), Kobold tail attachment (razored), Kukri, Lungchuan tamo, Machete, Sea-knife, Shang gou, Tailblade (ratfolk), Throwing axe, War razor
Light (Exotic)
Barbazu beard, Bich'hwa, Butterfly knife, Dwarven maulaxe, Fighting fan, Kama, Knuckle axe, Rope gauntlet, Scorpion whip, Sica, Swordbreaker dagger, Wakizashi
One-handed (Exotic)
Aldori dueling sword, Whip
Slashing Grace with Swashbuckler Finesse (all of the above plus the following)
One-handed (Martial)
Battleaxe, Combat Scabbard, Cutlass, Double Chicken Saber, Gandasa, Klar, Longsword, Manople, Nine Ring Broadsword, Scimitar, Sibat, Terbutje, Terbutje (Steel)
One-handed (Exotic)
Bastard sword, Dwarven double waraxe, Dwarven waraxe, Falcata, Hooked axe, Katana, Khopesh, Rhoka, Sawtoothed Sabre, Temple Sword, Urumi
Don't forget about Slashing Grace (bite), Slashing Grace (claw), and Slashing Grace (talon).
Oops. You're right. I hadn't considered natural weapons.
Not always.
For example, it's still great for attack of opportunity builds using natural weapons and reach.
And Brawler's Flurry with Slashing Grace is still up in the air, so Feral Combat Training could make that work with a natural weapon.
Slashing Grace specifically outlaws flurry, so I'm wondering what is so different about Brawler's flurry that it wouldn't covered by the general ban. (Please keep in mind that I am not very familiar with any type of flurry so I don't have a position on this issue. I'm just curious.)
Generally, Brawler's Flurry and Flurry of Blows work differently and follow different rules. As far as I can tell, just because it doesn't work for one doesn't mean it doesn't work for the other.
However, there's a new FAQ that states it does not work with Brawler's Flurry.Honestly, one of the best uses for Slashing Grace now is for attacks of opportunity, because they don't rely on any of the things that the eratta and FAQ prohibit.
For example, you could have a Whip Kensai with the Whip Mastery line and Slashing Grace (whip). On their turn, they could use spell combat/true strike/combat maneuvers. But they could also get a significant number of attacks of opportunity that boost their damage output for the round.
Yes, I've been thinking about AoOs too. And if you use spells which have multiple touch attacks (Frostbite, Chill Touch, etc.) you can often go a couple of rounds without needing Spell Combat again. You really could get a decent amount of use out of S.G. after a "prep" round of Spell Combat.