For monk, its the same modifier as on the table because its a set -2 penalty. I'm not 100% sure for brawler but it seems as though you would take a -4 to all the attacks
So 8th level monk with strength 12 would be looking at
+7/+7/+2/+2
And sequence for brawler would be correct
By the way:
1. The Brawler can add 1.5x STR to damage when using the Temple Sword 2-handed.
2. The vanilla Monk can only add 1x STR.
3. The Unchained Monk can add 1.5x STR and has a whole different mechanic to flurrying (for starters, he doesn't get a penalty.)
Just for the record.
Whoops, brain fart.
By the way:
1. The Brawler can add 1.5x STR to damage when using the Temple Sword 2-handed.
2. The vanilla Monk can only add 1x STR.
3. The Unchained Monk can add 1.5x STR and has a whole different mechanic to flurrying (for starters, he doesn't get a penalty.)
Just for the record.
I usually just ignore the unchained monk in threads about monk/brawler unless they say that they're talking about the UC Monk.
I will keep mentioning it until it becomes the new normal. :P
Ok now I'm pretty sure about monk but someone can confirm about brawler?
Anyway I hate new monk... He can't use Style Strike with weapons :/
1. You are not crippled by not using weapons for them. I use a build with 2H temple sword and unarmed strikes, it's: 1. immensely flavorful, 2. very effective. Sure, I am more likely to miss my Flying Kicks than my regular attacks and they deal less damage... but the utility is amazing and I deal more damage than a regular monk anyway. Try it out before discarding it.
2. That being said... I dream about the day my character can get a Blade of the Sword Saint... :)
3. Did I say try the new monk? Try the new monk.
My group plays the brawler as -2 to all attacks when using flurry with one weapon. There are no real rules and there is no second weapon.
Heck, since there is no second weapon, there can be a claim that there is no minus to any of the attacks.
But like I said, my group applies the -2 to all.
The Brawler gets -2 to attack when flurrying.
The Brawler gets -2 to attack when flurrying.I like it but I don't find a rule
Brawler's Flurry:
Starting at 2nd level, a brawler can make a brawler's flurry as a full-attack action. When doing so, a brawler has the Two-Weapon Fighting feat when attacking with any combination of unarmed strikes, weapons from the close fighter weapon group, or weapons with the "monk" special feature. She does not need to use two different weapons to use this ability.
So the Brawler has the Two-Weapon Fighting feat.
Two-Weapon Fighting feat:
Benefit: Your penalties on attack rolls for fighting with two weapons are reduced. The penalty for your primary hand lessens by 2 and the one for your off hand lessens by 6. See Two-Weapon Fighting.
but there is no second weapon. the Brawlers flurry currently doesn't say anything how to handle it. The most common thing I've seen is to apply the -2 to everything like the monk does
but there is no second weapon. the Brawlers flurry currently doesn't say anything how to handle it. The most common thing I've seen is to apply the -2 to everything like the monk does
Read again.
Brawler's Flurry gives you the Two-Weapon Fighting feat.
Two-Weapon Fighting makes your penalties into -2 with the mainhand. IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN MAKING A BIG PENALTY INTO A SMALL ONE.
Why would it give you the feat if it wasn't there to ameliorate that penalty?
hey don't ask my WHY, I'm not a dev. But the brawler doesn't have to use two weapons, and it doesn't say what the penalties are for 2WF when we do it with a 2HW as it's not a light or one-handed weapon. So there is much about this that isn't clear.
hey don't ask my WHY
I'm asking you why though.
The answer: because it's like old monk flurry without the class levels = bab, ergo -2. TWF feat serves no other function that make that happen.
Besides, if it had no penalties to it, it wouldn't require it's own quasi-full-attack action.
I think it's enough proof. Everyone has been using the class like this forever. I'm gone from the thread.
I'm gonna rule it like secret wizard and say that it's at a -4 penalty to hit for brawler because of the way it works like twf. Monk states its a -2 to everything. You cant have a class get everything from both parent classes and in this case they made a slight nerf to brawlers flurry in comparison to monk's flurry. Other classes lost out on full spellcasting (bloodrager has pos 4th level casting; warpriest only goes to 7th level). If you guys think otherwise then go ahead and houserule it at your table but if you play PFS this seems to be the way they'd rule it.
I'm gonna rule it like secret wizard and say that it's at a -4 penalty to hit for brawler because of the way it works like twf. Monk states its a -2 to everything. You cant have a class get everything from both parent classes and in this case they made a slight nerf to brawlers flurry in comparison to monk's flurry. Other classes lost out on full spellcasting (bloodrager has pos 4th level casting; warpriest only goes to 7th level). If you guys think otherwise then go ahead and houserule it at your table but if you play PFS this seems to be the way they'd rule it.
It's a -2. Your off-hand is light (it's lighter than light, it's nothing.)
this is why I say it's clear that there isn't a spelled out way to deal with it and why people are saying it's "broken"
The thought that it should be a -4 is not crazy.
The thought that is should be -2 is not crazy.
The thought that there are no penalties is probably not correct, but it is not crazy.
The crazy part is that they just came out with an errata and didn't address this.
It's a -4 for your main hand because you're not using a light weapon if you're using a temple Sword and since you're using both hands on it you take the -4 main hand penalty to your "offhand" attacks.
If you guys want to you can make a post with a question and mark it for FAQ and we can see if we can get an official statement on this but I don't see it as too big of a deal.