cavernshark |
Relatively straight forward question: are the performance rounds performed by a Duettist bard's familiar affected by the feats the bard knows?
Example: Could a bard's familiar perform a round of Inspire Courage at the cost of 2 rounds, then cease, and have it persist for 2 rounds assuming the bard had the Lingering Performance feat?
The text for Performing Familiar does not explicitly say the familiar inherits the masters feats that affect Bardic performance, but it does say that they perform "just like its master"
Performing Familiar (Su)
At 4th level, a duettist's familiar learns how to create supernatural effects with its performances, just like its master. The familiar can use any of its master's bardic performances, but only the familiar or the duettist can have a performance active at any given time, not both. If one is performing and the other starts a performance, the previous performance immediately ends. Each round that the familiar performs consumes 2 rounds of the duettist's bardic performance.
This ability replaces lore master.
Mark Seifter Designer |
Chess Pwn |
This could still be useful. If you have lingering performance and your familiar starts to perform, your performance ends, but its effects are still lingering. You can essentially give bonuses for two performances for two rounds at a time.
nope, because as soon as you start a new performance your lingering effect ends.
DeathlessOne |
Negative.
The performance ends, this is correct. Lingering performance allows the bonuses and penalties to "linger" (or continue) for an additional 2 rounds ("after you cease performing"). Starting a new performance still fulfills these requirements as the bonuses/penalties that are lingering are from a performance that has been stopped (ceased).
Chess Pwn |
The bonuses and penalties from your bardic performance continue for 2 rounds after you cease performing. Any other requirement, such as range or specific conditions, must still be met for the effect to continue. If you begin a new bardic performance during this time, the effects of the previous performance immediately cease.
The effects end too. It would have been handy for you to double check the feat in question before asserting that your view was correct when presented with an opposing view.
Chess Pwn |
And, I fail. Sorry about that. I was looking at the feat but failing to read it all the way through.
That's okay, It's easy to skip a part when we think we know how something works. I after two years just found out that when the ranger increases his Favored enemy that he can boost one other favored enemy, not all his other favored enemies.
DeathlessOne |
Actually, after a moment of thought. The familiar is starting the new performance, not "you". One could argue your feat works for the next two rounds while the familiar performs.
If you begin a new bardic performance during this time, the effects of the previous performance immediately cease.
Chess Pwn |
At 4th level, a duettist's familiar learns how to create supernatural effects with its performances, just like its master. The familiar can use any of its master's bardic performances, but only the familiar or the duettist can have a performance active at any given time, not both. If one is performing and the other starts a performance, the previous performance immediately ends. Each round that the familiar performs consumes 2 rounds of the duettist's bardic performance.
DeathlessOne |
I got it. But, I feel that I'm on to something here.
Lingering Performance
Benefit: The bonuses and penalties from your bardic performance continue for 2 rounds after you cease performing. Any other requirement, such as range or specific conditions, must still be met for the effect to continue. If you begin a new bardic performance during this time, the effects of the previous performance immediately cease.
So, you're performing. Your familiar starts. You immediately stop (cease performing). Since you did not start a new performance, lingering performance doesn't care if your familiar is performing. Your previous performance's effects linger for 2 rounds.
Am I missing something here?
I think the key is there difference between the Duettist's ability:
previous performance immediately ends.
And Lingering Performances
the effects of the previous performance immediately cease.