Mythic - Thassilonian Harmonic Mage?


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Reading the outlines for Thassilonian specialist focus, and looking at Harmonious Mage from Mythic Adventures raises a question. Could a Thassilonian specialist take harmonious mage to gain access to the prohibited schools?

I would say no, however there is an inconstancy posted in Inner Sea magic (I think) calling the schools opposition instead of prohibited.
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Further inconsistencies (given we have yet yo see Sorshen of Xanderghul as Mythic Runelords):

Sorshen is listed as using a "clone" spell creations to escape Earthfall. This is partially mitigated by saying she is an enchanter & could have easily "convinced" some Gluttony (Necro) caster to make them for her.

Two other, non-related issues to Mythic, but with Runelords in general:

Alderpash (First Runelord of Wrath), still has his head as WotR 5, Instead if it decorating the weapon of Alzanist. (Shattered Star 6).

The entire write up for the Sword of the Gluttony makes reference to Krune (Sloth) in the place of Zuthra for Gluttony.


I'd mitigate it's effects so that you could only apply the benefit to one of the prohibited schools.


But other then house rules I think it's been established that Sin Magic specialists can't do anything to allow them to use their prohibited schools.

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pc0c?Can-Opposition-Research


samuraixsithlord wrote:

But other then house rules I think it's been established that Sin Magic specialists can't do anything to allow them to use their prohibited schools.

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pc0c?Can-Opposition-Research

Thanks much SamuriX. This was my thought, I am thankful for the link, I am trying to plan this out as a GM to head off to potential issue in a future game with someone who was thinking over that combination.


If you're stating up Sorshen and Xanderghul I could see you allowing Harmonious Mage work.

If Baba Yaga can use all wizard/sorcerer spells along with her normal witch spells anything is possible.


samuraixsithlord wrote:

If you're stating up Sorshen and Xanderghul I could see you allowing Harmonious Mage work.

If Baba Yaga can use all wizard/sorcerer spells along with her normal witch spells anything is possible.

I would love to see those 2 Runelords stated up. Not well enough versed with the rules yet to take that attempt.

But as I mentioned in the OP, I do not see them harmonious Mage either & allowing access. Shattered Star states that Sorshen would have just enchanted a Necro to make her clones & that she did not have access at all to Necro.

Truth is, I would not have asked the question, however, there are many inconsistencies in relation to the Runelords (refer to OP).

Off topic, read up Korchay the deathless in relation to Baga Yaga from Russian folklore.

Once again, thanks for the help mate. :D


I've been brewing up some Runelords for my game and there is no rule that says that you can't take the path ability. That being said for fairness sake I only allow Thassilonian specialist access to one of their banned schools.


My gut says no for two reasons.

Harmonious Mage says:

"Select two opposition schools. These are no longer opposition schools for you, preparing spells from one of these schools now only requires one spell slot of the appropriate level instead of two, and you no longer take the –4 Spellcraft penalty for crafting items from an opposition school."

Thassilonian Specialist says:

"A Thassilonian Specialist does not get to customize his choice for opposition schools — his opposition schools are determined for him when he chooses his specialization. These restrictions are more significant than those most wizards follow, and are known as prohibited schools. A Thassilonian Specialist can never prepare a spell that is in one of his prohibited schools — he treats these spells as if they were not on the wizard spell list. If using a spell trigger or spell completion item to cast a spell from one of his prohibited schools, he must use the Use Magic Device skill to do so."

Reason #1: Harmonious Mage is clear about what restrictions it lifts. You can use one spell slot instead of two and you don't have the -4 penalty to Spellcraft. However, not only does Thassilonian Specialist not have these restrictions (thus you can't remove them with Harmonious Mage), it also includes the note that your prohibited spells are treated as if they were not on your spell list at all. This is not a restriction that Harmonious Mage handles at all, so even if the schools were no longer opposition schools, you wouldn't have any of the spells to prepare because they aren't considered to be on your spell list. This is a dodgy reason, however, because it also says that the two schools are no longer opposition schools, so you could lump it all under the one umbrella. However, there's also reason #2, below.

Reason #2: While it may be verbal semantics, Thassilonian Specialists don't have opposition schools, they have prohibited schools. It's a very fine line, but in the interests of that and of the flavour of Thassilonian Specialist, I wouldn't allow Harmonious Mage to get around that limitation.

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Alderpash (First Runelord of Wrath), still has his head as WotR 5, Instead if it decorating the weapon of Alzanist. (Shattered Star 6).

That question was posed to James Jacobs. He seemed delighted that somebody had noticed, but elected not to explain further.

I think I had a Sorshen build kicking around somewhere that was half-done. Might have to dig it up.

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