Where'd the Most Important Rule go?


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I don't see it on the footer any more, and it seems like we need it more than ever.


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We get the rules we deserve, not the rules we need.


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Puna'chong wrote:
We get the rules we deserve, not the rules we need.

If you think anyone deserved to be subjected to Slashing Grace, then you are an irredeemable monster.


I've been using generic Dex to damage in my campaigns with zero issues for years. My players love the variety in builds they can explore, and strength guys still push out far more damage. Slashing Grace is fine...


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So... those that mean we DESERVED sacred geometry.... cool xD


Puna'chong wrote:
I've been using generic Dex to damage in my campaigns with zero issues for years. My players love the variety in builds they can explore, and strength guys still push out far more damage. Slashing Grace is fine...

How does you using a houserule change the issues with Slashing Grace? Whoever threw that together with all the arbitrary restrictions on it is a sadist who revels in the disappointment and misery of tabletop RPG players.


blahpers wrote:
I don't see it on the footer any more, and it seems like we need it more than ever.

It got removed when they put up the new community guidelines. I believe it is still implied that people shouldn't be jerks, but it was expanded upon.


chaoseffect wrote:
Puna'chong wrote:
I've been using generic Dex to damage in my campaigns with zero issues for years. My players love the variety in builds they can explore, and strength guys still push out far more damage. Slashing Grace is fine...
How does you using a houserule change the issues with Slashing Grace? Whoever threw that together with all the arbitrary restrictions on it is a sadist who revels in the disappointment and misery of tabletop RPG players.

Oh, I thought you were one of those mad at Slashing Grace for allowing Dex to damage. I'm not entirely sure about the restrictions. Seems like a really easy feat to make. But I guess my tabletop RPG players would not be a part of this sadists revels, as they are neither miserable nor disappointed at my table =)


Puna'chong wrote:
chaoseffect wrote:
Puna'chong wrote:
I've been using generic Dex to damage in my campaigns with zero issues for years. My players love the variety in builds they can explore, and strength guys still push out far more damage. Slashing Grace is fine...
How does you using a houserule change the issues with Slashing Grace? Whoever threw that together with all the arbitrary restrictions on it is a sadist who revels in the disappointment and misery of tabletop RPG players.
Oh, I thought you were one of those mad at Slashing Grace for allowing Dex to damage. I'm not entirely sure about the restrictions. Seems like a really easy feat to make. But I guess my tabletop RPG players would not be a part of this sadists revels, as they are neither miserable nor disappointed at my table =)

If you are interested look up some of the topics about it for more thorough talks of the problems. Main issues are that it only works with one handed slashing weapons, so not on things like daggers, kukris, or even rapiers, and then it has a bleh prerequisite with Weapon Focus.


Oh I know the myriad complaints with it. I also know that a lot of people that hate it dislike it for the fact that it lends Dex to damage. I see a lot of that, so I assumed that's where you were going with it. But anywho.


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most of the posting lately has basically been terrible, yes

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Going back and trying to formulate the new Community Guidelines was a pretty involved process (especially pilfering through the number of Website Feedback threads that cropped up over the last year or so). "Don't be a jerk" worked pretty OK when our community was smaller, but it's also subjective and has caused some issues with our ability to moderate posts. The new guidelines serve to give more transparency behind these decisions, and as our community continues to welcome more and more new people, we need to be able to adjust accordingly. Moderation is an imperfect "science" and this line may come back if we need it to.


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knightnday wrote:
blahpers wrote:
I don't see it on the footer any more, and it seems like we need it more than ever.
It got removed when they put up the new community guidelines. I believe it is still implied that people shouldn't be jerks, but it was expanded upon.

But...but... without a specific rule telling me to not be a jerk I won't know not to be a jerk.

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Triphoppenskip wrote:
But...but... without a specific rule telling me to not be a jerk I won't know not to be a jerk.

ಠ_ಠ

Shadow Lodge

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It is one of those unwritten rules that everyone is supposed to follow.


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Paizo is carrying being inclusive to the extreme. Even jerks are welcome now. :)


Man, what jerks. nope

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Steve Geddes wrote:
Even jerks are welcome now. :)

I've been welcome for years!

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
Even jerks are welcome now. :)
I've been welcome for years!

Just because you're tolerated doesn't mean you're welcome. ;)

-Skeld


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
Even jerks are welcome now. :)
I've been welcome for years!

We both have, sir. We both have.


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Who's going to tell them?

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Liz Courts wrote:
Triphoppenskip wrote:
But...but... without a specific rule telling me to not be a jerk I won't know not to be a jerk.
ಠ_ಠ

I think this reply basically indicates the end of the conversation

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This is the conversation that never ends.


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It goes on and on, my friends.


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Some people started having it, not knowing what it was.


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But they'll continue conversing it, forever, just because...


I wish my ACG would arrive so I could finally figure out what all this slashing grace fuss is about, but alas european retail's got, a week to go.


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Liz Courts wrote:
Triphoppenskip wrote:
But...but... without a specific rule telling me to not be a jerk I won't know not to be a jerk.
ಠ_ಠ

Hee hee I giggle everytime I scroll through and see that.


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Threeshades wrote:
I wish my ACG would arrive so I could finally figure out what all this slashing grace fuss is about, but alas european retail's got, a week to go.

The PDF is only 10$ and even less euros.


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Triphoppenskip wrote:
knightnday wrote:
blahpers wrote:
I don't see it on the footer any more, and it seems like we need it more than ever.
It got removed when they put up the new community guidelines. I believe it is still implied that people shouldn't be jerks, but it was expanded upon.
But...but... without a specific rule telling me to not be a jerk I won't know not to be a jerk.

That means you must be a horrible cheating <member of a group of players who play the game differently than me>! How dare you!


Threeshades wrote:
I wish my ACG would arrive so I could finally figure out what all this slashing grace fuss is about, but alas european retail's got, a week to go.

It sort of gives dex to damage but really only works for swashbucklers. Now for the last couple of weeks everybody is like I want dex to damage without being a swashbuckler.

Still way better dan caustic slur but a bit disapointing to a lot of players who wanted the feat, not the class. (I really like the class, kobold melee Ftw)

Haven't got mine either, Holland is always late with releases.


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Steve Geddes wrote:
Who's going to tell them?

Somebody's gotta tell them.


magnuskn wrote:
Threeshades wrote:
I wish my ACG would arrive so I could finally figure out what all this slashing grace fuss is about, but alas european retail's got, a week to go.
The PDF is only 10$ and even less euros.

And I would buy it had I a credit card. As a matter of fact I'd have preordered the physical copy from paizo.


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Chris Lambertz wrote:
Going back and trying to formulate the new Community Guidelines was a pretty involved process (especially pilfering through the number of Website Feedback threads that cropped up over the last year or so). "Don't be a jerk" worked pretty OK when our community was smaller, but it's also subjective and has caused some issues with our ability to moderate posts. The new guidelines serve to give more transparency behind these decisions, and as our community continues to welcome more and more new people, we need to be able to adjust accordingly. Moderation is an imperfect "science" and this line may come back if we need it to.

It was nice to have a pithy axiom at the bottom of the screen. Stands out and reminds posters (not least of which myself) to step back for a moment if things get heated. "Help us keep the messageboards a fun and friendly place" is the kind of text folks tend to just gloss over.

But I see your point. If you're going for more of a "you've been moderated, this is why"-type approach, it's good to have specific guidelines. But I'd still keep it there. : )

*alternately*

FINE I'LL JUST HOUSE RULE IT BACK


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blahpers wrote:
FINE I'LL JUST HOUSE RULE IT BACK

We didnt need to houserule stuff like this back in the early edition messageboards.


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blahpers wrote:
FINE I'LL JUST HOUSE RULE IT BACK

If you need to house rule thread rule it that proves the forum is broken in the first place!


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In the interests of backwards compatibility (yes, yes, I've seen the drive towards message boards unchained, bear with me...), there are a number of moderator comments scattered around the boards that read along the lines of "don't forget the most important rule", which are now unclear to new members.

I suggest that the most important rule be reinstated in some form to allow an easier transition from the previous edition of the boards to the current one: we wouldn't want edition wars over something like this.


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Whoever gifted me the ACG pdf has my deepest most heartfelt thanks, that was really nice of you.


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Threeshades wrote:
Whoever gifted me the ACG pdf has my deepest most heartfelt thanks, that was really nice of you.

And this is why I love this community. Classy move, whoever did this for Threeshades.


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Threeshades wrote:
Whoever gifted me the ACG pdf has my deepest most heartfelt thanks, that was really nice of you.

That was a real cool move. Kudos to the mystery giver :).

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