Vendor - Fantasiapelit Tampere
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Maybe he has the same hidden motive as the Zoom from comics- this is his twisted version of trying to help the heroes, to get better at what they do. I always liked Zoom for that motive alone, and it might be a cool twist. This monster is the one I'm referring to. Unlikely, but cool.
He seems too murder-y for that though.
Zoom may have been sending out other metas to kill Barry simply to gauge how strong an opponent he was, before committing himself fully to battle.
Or maybe Jesse won't be a second generation superhero in the show.
Probably, after all she already has a different dad. Instead of being JEssy Chambers, she is Jessy Chambers Wells.
What if Zoom is the Black Racer?
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Zoom, as far as his motivations go, seem to be closest not to Zoom or the Reverse Flash, but Savitar, from the Dead Heat story arc. Unfortunately, he was killed off
Indeed. Zoom, so far, seems to very much have Savitar's attitude. Just without the speeded-up ninja flunkies.
Wells is now Johnny Quick? That's two speedsters he has been now, I wonder if on Earth-R he's one of the Kapitalist Kouriers. Or maybe the Speed Demon? Still enjoying the character.
Speed Demon! Man, that dude was whacked! I reread those early Wally issues not too long ago.
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Zoom may have been sending out other metas to kill Barry simply to gauge how strong an opponent he was, before committing himself fully to battle.
Indeed. That's what I thought...
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Ok a synopsis for episode 1 of Legends of Today got released. Release date December 1.
This guy is slated to be Vandal Savage. He looks perfect for the role.
EDIT: HOLY S!@@. THAT GIRL CISCO HIT ON IS HAWK GIRL
Hammy, the link on Legends of Today suggests there's a serum for faster speed that gets tested on Jay. I'm guessing THAT'S what gives him back his speed. Could that also be the "speed formula" that empowers Jesse? I'd prefer it if it was a recited equation like the comics, but whatever.
Zoom, as far as his motivations go, seem to be closest not to Zoom or the Reverse Flash, but Savitar, from the Dead Heat story arc. Unfortunately, he was killed offIndeed. Zoom, so far, seems to very much have Savitar's attitude. Just without the speeded-up ninja flunkies.
Wells is now Johnny Quick? That's two speedsters he has been now, I wonder if on Earth-R he's one of the Kapitalist Kouriers. Or maybe the Speed Demon? Still enjoying the character.Speed Demon! Man, that dude was whacked! I reread those early Wally issues not too long ago.
To be fair, Wally was boinking his wife. I'm actually hoping some Velocity 9 and other early Wally stuff comes up in the show, maybe not season 2, but 3 or 4.
But yeah, Zoom feels like Savitar. Whether he is really Barry-2 or Henry-2 or Eddie doesn't matter.
So far, I don't think we have seen any character where both Earth and Earth-2 have gotten super powers. This lends me to think it is not Barry. Both Henry and Eddie seem like too obvious choices, so I'm guessing it is one of them.
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To be fair, Wally was boinking his wife. I'm actually hoping some Velocity 9 and other early Wally stuff comes up in the show, maybe not season 2, but 3 or 4.
Yeah, Wally could be kind of a dick in those early comics. I think he matured nicely, though, over the 20 or so years he was Flash. I still miss him.
And count me as another vote for Velocity 9. That would be cool. Although, at this point, I'd like to see a season 3 without a speedster as the main villain. Maybe Kadabra.
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GRODD!!!!
I enjoyed seeing Henry again. I just hope they don't pull this too much, only seeing him when Barry needs a pep talk.
After hearing Joe's little speech to Iris about wondering how good a father he'd have been to an actual, blood-related son, and seeing her reaction - nice continued foreshadowing of Wally.
Alright Wells of Earth 2, you were less of a dick in this episode.
The bits between Kendra and Cisco were cool. Nice set up for the Legends of Tomorrow intro.
Cisco has gone from the character I disliked the most in the pilot to my now favorite. The dude is great!
And episodes with Henry are also always really excellent. I rather enjoyed his check up and analysis of Barry's x-rays.
Cisco has gone from the character I disliked the most in the pilot to my now favorite. The dude is great!
The character definitely needed to evolve from his original, and now the actor is nailing it.
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What I love about Cisco is he isn't this.
True. Although there is some resemblance between Carlos Valdes and that image. We'll see if he ever gets his own costume.
Vibe in the comics is a reformed latino street gangster and breakdancer with vibrational powers and is basically one huge lazy racial stereotype.No disagreement at all. I could still see the outfit showing up in some form as an in joke for those who know the comic version.
I think a Halloween party kinda like the Space Cowboy in Castle, would be appropriate.
I forgot to mention that this last episode also made me wonder if part of Zoom's power set is to instill lingering doubts and fear in people. Barry's flashes during his rehab and his fight with Grodd combined with his reluctance to get back in the fight reminded me of Jay, though to a lesser degree.
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I forgot to mention that this last episode also made me wonder if part of Zoom's power set is to instill lingering doubts and fear in people. Barry's flashes during his rehab and his fight with Grodd combined with his reluctance to get back in the fight reminded me of Jay, though to a lesser degree.
That's your standard PTSD. I mean Zoom DESTROYED Barry. Everyone would have flashes and doubts.
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I forgot to mention that this last episode also made me wonder if part of Zoom's power set is to instill lingering doubts and fear in people. Barry's flashes during his rehab and his fight with Grodd combined with his reluctance to get back in the fight reminded me of Jay, though to a lesser degree.That's your standard PTSD. I mean Zoom DESTROYED Barry. Everyone would have flashes and doubts.
Indeed. Having another speedster's hand penetrate your flesh and do pretzel things to your spinal column would, I suspect, freak out most people.
Dang, poor Cisco just can't escape the friendzone.
Oh, and Jay to acting like a real jerk.
To be fair to Jay, I don't think a) he trust Harrison Wells and b) Speed Force is a part of the DCU. Chemical mixtures historically in DC...end up doing bad stuff to people. *cites Venom*
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To be fair to Jay, I don't think a) he trust Harrison Wells and b) Speed Force is a part of the DCU. Chemical mixtures historically in DC...end up doing bad stuff to people. *cites Venom*
Venom
MirikuruPoison Ivy
Dr Freeze
The Joker
What could possibly go wrong from playing with chemicals In The DCU?
To be fair to Jay, I don't think a) he trust Harrison Wells and b) Speed Force is a part of the DCU. Chemical mixtures historically in DC...end up doing bad stuff to people. *cites Venom*Venom
Mirikuru
Poison Ivy
Dr Freeze
The JokerWhat could possibly go wrong from playing with chemicals In The DCU?
Good point. After all, Jay could have refused to help Wells, period.
Spiral,
I think the point is overuse of such chemicals in the DCU has proven to be...rather bad.
To be fair to Jay, I don't think a) he trust Harrison Wells and b) Speed Force is a part of the DCU. Chemical mixtures historically in DC...end up doing bad stuff to people. *cites Venom*Venom
Mirikuru
Poison Ivy
Dr Freeze
The JokerWhat could possibly go wrong from playing with chemicals In The DCU?
Jay becomes Zoom, time travels back in time to earth 2 in an insane attempt to stop himself by terrorizing his world while slowly loosing his sense of identity by battling his past self until the portal opens remembers that it's all Barry Flash's fault and round and a round we go.
That's just crazy!
It's Wally West of Earth-3! :)
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I don’t normally watch (B)Arrow, but I enjoy these team-up episodes….
I like Vandal Savage so far, but I’m fairly certain the history of the character was not intertwined with the Hawks. I’m hoping they’ll expand on him in the future – that he actually is an immortal Cro-Magnon, and the whole deal with the Hawks was just a way for him to gain more power.
I like the dude they got to play Hawkman.
Barry and Ollie fight well together.
It was nice to see Jay using super speed again, even if only for a little while. I can, however, understand his reluctance to trust Harrison Wells and some drug. Hell, for a minute there, his preaching about the Speed Force being some kind of gift made him sound like Max Mercury. And huzzah for future Velocity 9 stories!!!
I look forward to the second part tonight.
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Jay becomes Zoom, time travels back in time to earth 2 in an insane attempt to stop himself by terrorizing his world while slowly loosing his sense of identity by battling his past self until the portal opens remembers that it's all Barry Flash's fault and round and a round we go.
That....actually makes sense.
I enjoyed the team up episode a lot! Can't wait to see Arrow tonight!
Some old(er) DCU geek refresh my memory (I'm old, but I've never been an encyclopedia of knowledge on the history of the Comic-verse) :/
In my memory, I thought the 'Super Speed Formula' was an actual mathematical equation, (NOT a chemical formula) that, when spoken aloud, gave the speaker super-speed. (WAY back before 'Speed Force' became a thing) It was what gave the original 'Johnny Quick' his speed powers.
Even after the introduction of the Speed Force, I recall Wally-Flash getting it from Johhny and using it to gain more speed when he really needed it in one issue. (???)
I mean, I'm not mad or anything that they made it a chemical formula, it makes sense in the DCTVU, I'm just curious that I'm remembering it right.
???
I remembered seeing something about a speed formula and I found an entry on the Reverse-Flash wiki page.
The Jay Garrik Flash had a villain called the Rival; a fellow professor who developed a formula he called Velocity-9 that gave him temporary speed powers.
I remembered seeing something about a speed formula and I found an entry on the Reverse-Flash wiki page.
The Jay Garrik Flash had a villain called the Rival; a fellow professor who developed a formula he called Velocity-9 that gave him temporary speed powers.
Did anyone else notice last night?
They kept calling the formula 'Velocity -6'
But I could swear that when the camera lingered on the table, the beaker of formula was labeled 'Velocity 9'.
Or was I seeing things again?
(I always miss the episode, and have to watch it later at night on DVR, so I may have been tired & bleary eyed.) :)
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As long as they get someone cool to portray Wally West, I don't care if he's portrayed by a shaolin monk.
They do have someone in mind already, but I can't recall the name. I do recall I was unfamiliar with the actor when I first heard of him in the role. That goes towards one of my few gripes about the CW - because their target audience seems to be...younger than me....I don't often recognize some of the young actors they get.
Johnny Quick did use the equation, but Jay Garrick's powers involved a hard water experiment.
We DO have one instance of a chemical formula working properly in the DC universe (comic, not TV) - Hourman.
OK, so I did remember the equation right.
HAH! Take THAT old-timer's! (Erm,... Alzheimers,...) :P
HOURMAN! Yes! Him! That formula does/did work as intended. If only for short periods of time. (IE=HOURman) ;P
IIRC, he couldn't take it back to back either, he had to wait in between Miraclo pills. (Another hour I think?) Leading to interesting problems in the comics when his pill would wear off, but he still had bad guys to defeat.
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I enjoyed the team up episode a lot! Can't wait to see Arrow tonight!
Some old(er) DCU geek refresh my memory (I'm old, but I've never been an encyclopedia of knowledge on the history of the Comic-verse) :/
In my memory, I thought the 'Super Speed Formula' was an actual mathematical equation, (NOT a chemical formula) that, when spoken aloud, gave the speaker super-speed. (WAY back before 'Speed Force' became a thing) It was what gave the original 'Johnny Quick' his speed powers.
Even after the introduction of the Speed Force, I recall Wally-Flash getting it from Johhny and using it to gain more speed when he really needed it in one issue. (???)
I mean, I'm not mad or anything that they made it a chemical formula, it makes sense in the DCTVU, I'm just curious that I'm remembering it right.
???
There was a Speed Formula Equation used by Jonny and Jessie Quick. There was also what came to be known as Velocity 9 (and eventually Velocity 10), introduced in the Wally West Flash era as one of Vandal Savage's schemes. There was also Speed Demon and the Russian Speedsters (Red Trinity and Blue Trinity), who all gained their powers through various combinations of specialized steroids, cybernetic implants, special suits, and genetic tampering.
As long as they get someone cool to portray Wally West, I don't care if he's portrayed by a shaolin monk.They do have someone in mind already, but I can't recall the name. I do recall I was unfamiliar with the actor when I first heard of him in the role. That goes towards one of my few gripes about the CW - because their target audience seems to be...younger than me....I don't often recognize some of the young actors they get.
It's OK AZ, you can say it. Out loud.
Here, I'll say it with you.
"A-hem, 'I'm OLD'(er)"
But STILL COOL! :D
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As long as they get someone cool to portray Wally West, I don't care if he's portrayed by a shaolin monk.They do have someone in mind already, but I can't recall the name. I do recall I was unfamiliar with the actor when I first heard of him in the role. That goes towards one of my few gripes about the CW - because their target audience seems to be...younger than me....I don't often recognize some of the young actors they get.It's OK AZ, you can say it. Out loud.
Here, I'll say it with you.
"A-hem, 'I'm OLD'(er)"
But STILL COOL! :D
Hey now! My statement was perfectly valid. They are (disgustingly) younger. Little bastards.
Hey now! My statement was perfectly valid. They are (disgustingly) younger. Little bastards.As long as they get someone cool to portray Wally West, I don't care if he's portrayed by a shaolin monk.They do have someone in mind already, but I can't recall the name. I do recall I was unfamiliar with the actor when I first heard of him in the role. That goes towards one of my few gripes about the CW - because their target audience seems to be...younger than me....I don't often recognize some of the young actors they get.It's OK AZ, you can say it. Out loud.
Here, I'll say it with you.
"A-hem, 'I'm OLD'(er)"
But STILL COOL! :D
Too true, too true.
I have kids older than some of these actors.
Sad, but true. :/
