Yes, you can use it.
No, you can't use it without taking the -2 penalty for wielding an inappropriately sized weapon.
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I'm not aware of any way to ever remove the –2 penalty for an inappropriately-sized weapon.
I think the Titan Mauler eventually removes the penalty, or at least part of it. But that's a barbarian archetype, so it won't apply to a samurai.
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Although a level of barbarian for rage gets you close, since the +4 STR results in +2 to hit, neatly covering for the size penalty. In fact, that's written into the backstory for Amiri (the iconic barbarian). She uses a large-sized bastard sword, which she can only "wield properly" when her rage takes over.
Kinda cool, really. :)
EDIT: Oooooh, you could carry one normal-sized katana for typical use, but then sometimes you drop it, drink a potion of heroism (+2 to hit, among other things), and whip out the big katana and go nuts. :D
Yes, you can use it.
No, you can't use it without taking the -2 penalty for wielding an inappropriately sized weapon.Edit:
I'm not aware of any way to ever remove the –2 penalty for an inappropriately-sized weapon.I think the Titan Mauler eventually removes the penalty, or at least part of it. But that's a barbarian archetype, so it won't apply to a samurai.
But it would only take 6 levels of Barbarian to cancel out the penalty completely, and you could just take your first level in Samurai to pick up the proficiency. Or, you know, just get it from a feat, and call your Barbarian a Samurai for flavor.
Oh, and I just looked up the Titan Mauler. It's this ability:
Massive Weapons (Ex): At 3rd level, a titan mauler becomes skilled in the use of massive weapons looted from her titanic foes. The attack roll penalty for using weapons too large for her size is reduced by 1, and this reduction increases by 1 for every three levels beyond 3rd (to a minimum of 0). This ability replaces trap sense.
That means you'd need 6 levels of Titan Mauler to completely remove the penalty for wielding a weapon one size category larger.
Edit: Ninja'd by a Ninja. :P
You could use the Nodachi. Its like a 2 handed katana in appearance and it does a d10 with an 18-20 crit range. Would be a lot easier on you than using an oversized weapon and taking penalties too. Martial weapon too, so more classes than the samurai have proficiency to use it to start out with.
In pathfinder Samurai can use a katana with 1h since they have Exotic weapon proficiency. This makes it a 1d8 1h weapon. My question is can I scale the katana from (M) 1d8 to (L) 2d6 and wield it as a 2hander. This would allow me the additional Damage dice and give me the additional 1.5x Str mod bonus. I don't see any issue in doing this. Any pathfinder rule guru help me out before i bring it to my GM. My character is a Human medium size.
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I know i can use it. Can i use it without the -2 penalty.
Samara I do not have Exotic Profiency Katana.
Weapon and Armor Proficiency: Samurai are proficient with all simple and martial weapons, plus the katana, naginata, and wakizashi. Samurai are proficient with all types of armor (heavy, light, and medium) and shields (except tower shields).
Katana rules
Benefit: Characters can use a katana two-handed as a martial weapon, but must take the Exotic Weapon Proficiency (katana) feat to use it one-handed.
Thats just my take.
Probably a wrong call on my part not sure.
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In pathfinder Samurai can use a katana with 1h since they have Exotic weapon proficiency. This makes it a 1d8 1h weapon. My question is can I scale the katana from (M) 1d8 to (L) 2d6 and wield it as a 2hander. This would allow me the additional Damage dice and give me the additional 1.5x Str mod bonus. I don't see any issue in doing this. Any pathfinder rule guru help me out before i bring it to my GM. My character is a Human medium size.
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I know i can use it. Can i use it without the -2 penalty.Samara I do not have Exotic Profiency Katana.
Weapon and Armor Proficiency: Samurai are proficient with all simple and martial weapons, plus the katana, naginata, and wakizashi. Samurai are proficient with all types of armor (heavy, light, and medium) and shields (except tower shields).
Katana rules
Benefit: Characters can use a katana two-handed as a martial weapon, but must take the Exotic Weapon Proficiency (katana) feat to use it one-handed.
That interpretation makes the samurai's proficiency list kind of nonsensical. Look:
Samurai are proficient with all simple and martial weapons...
So they're already proficient with all martial weapons, which means this clause...
Characters can use a katana two-handed as a martial weapon
...is already in effect. So if the samurai's proficiency list stopped right there at "all simple and martial weapons", he'd already be able to use the katana two-handed.
But then it goes on:
...plus the katana, naginata, and wakizashi.
Now, if the samurai could only use it two-handed, then there's no reason to list it because he's already got it covered with his global martial proficiency. The only reason to list it in addition to martial proficiency is to grant exotic proficiency. Otherwise, the class feature saying he's proficient in katanas means literally nothing.
Since I choose to believe that rules are written with the intent of meaning something, this leads me to the conclusion that samurai can use katanas one-handed.
Samurai have proficiency in katana. A katana is an exotic weapon.
Besides which, if they wanted samurai to use the katana two-handed as a martial weapon, there would be no reason to specify proficiency in it, as the samurai also has proficiency in all martial weapons.
EDIT: Ninja'd in a thread about katanas; how appropriate.
And Brace is marginally better than deadly...
the only reason i can see is that a samurai can get weapon specialization with Katana(even if oversized) and cant do it with a Nodachi, but otherwhise, the Nodachi is superior... +2 hit trumps 1.5 average damage 99% of the time.
This is interesting. So if a character uses a large katana in two hands without the exotic weapon feat, what would the penalty be?
This is interesting. So if a character uses a large katana in two hands without the exotic weapon feat, what would the penalty be?
Either -6 (-4 non proficiency, -2 inappropriate size) or not able to wield at all.
This is interesting. So if a character uses a large katana in two hands without the exotic weapon feat, what would the penalty be?
Not able to wield at all.
With the proficiency it goes from one handed to two handed.
Without the proficiency it goes from two handed to too big.
alright, thanks guys!
This is interesting. So if a character uses a large katana in two hands without the exotic weapon feat, what would the penalty be?Not able to wield at all.
With the proficiency it goes from one handed to two handed.
Without the proficiency it goes from two handed to too big.
False.
This is similar to the bastard sword argument where Paizo made it clear that bastard swords are one-handed exotic weapons.The katana is also a one-handed exotic weapon.
Just because there's another way to wield them without penalty doesn't change that.
So, you could wield it, but with a -6.
Which is close enough to saying you can't wield it at all. :)
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From the FAQ on the bastard sword
For class abilities, feats, and other rule elements that vary based on or specifically depend on wielding a one-handed weapon, a two-handed weapon, or a one-handed weapon with two hands, the bastard sword counts as however many hands you are using to wield it.
If you are wielding it with two hands (whether or not you have the Exotic Weapon Proficiency to wield it with one hand), it is treated as a two-handed weapon; Power Attack gets the increased damage bonus, you can use Pushing Assault or Shield of Swings (which require a two-handed weapon), and so on.
So since you HAVE to put two hands on it to swing it at all if you're not proficient with it, it starts as a two handed weapon for you and then goes to "too big"
Probably academic anyway as.. yeaaah -6. I have a character that has a better chance of hitting with an electrified hedgehog...