This is the situation, i was told to have fun with it and role-play. The dm shares the dm spotlight with another guy. This other guy has crazy stats where there is no weakness and it's taking the fun away. We just turned level 4 and his ability stats are boosted to the max for a half giant monk fighter. Str 21, int 18, wis 18, cha 14, dex 14 and con 15. Movement of 8, and is skilled at everything. Get 2 attacks that deals 14-22 points of damage each and he's good at stealth and the challenge rating is a joke. He hides his stats from everyone the the other dm says, just play your character the way you want to play it.
My cleric, str 16, con 12, dex 12, int 9, wis 19, cha 13.. Its to a point that there is no use for praying for spells because they don't do much in this situation. I find its pointless to play because buffing is now useless.
I asked to play another class and the dm seems cool about it. But then again, is it going to be affective or will i be in the same BS.
Should i just shut up and play like i was told? If the possibility to make a better class, can you guys suggest me what i can use that can make it interesting for me or feel like I am doing something that makes it interesting.
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You're not enjoying the game. And apparently no one in the group is going to address your concerns.
Perhaps you should consider shutting up and leaving it? Even if it is the only game in town, there must be something more worth doing than ramming your head against this wall.
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Ask if you can play what the other guy is playing.
Tell him, he seems practically indestructible, and good at everything, which sounds more fun.
Delivery will be key, but you get your point across, without any complaining.
I'm with BBT here. Figure out an appropriate way to phrase it, particularly applying some DST (D*ck-Sucking Theory) to it to try and suck up to him. The idea is to literally try and get it so you can play a carbon copy of the other guy's character, with perhaps a few modifications.
Which is of course the smart way. My way would just be to come here onto the boards, find the most broken build you could find, challenge the half-giant to a duel on the grounds that "giants are evil", and then kill him for being a pompous pain-in-the-ass prick.
But that's just me.
EDIT: If you really want to show the guy up and the GM doesn't let you play what he's playing, look into Synthesist Summoner... It'll make him cry.
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You should have fun, if playing is fun, you should play. If playing is not fun, assuming you want to play with these people, you should talk to them about your issues, and see if there is a potential resolution.
Obviously the person with the half giant likes powerful characters. The other dm seems fine with that. You have some issue with I assume the difficulty of encounter due to this power level? Talk to both of them. Explain you'd like to ramp up the difficulty a bit, since everyone (including your cleric) seems to have really good stats, and are playing pretty optimized characters. See what they say.
If you cant come to a course of action you like, its probably best to bow out of the game. Some people just want to smash monsters, thats what the game is for them. If thats not what it is for you, its not a problem per say, but if you arent going to have fun, you probably should find a better use for your time.
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Whatever you decide to say to your DM, be sure to remember that is how you say it, and not what you say, that will win the day.
Sounds kinda like my GURPs DM who started making spot light for certian characters/players. Everyone I knew who wasn't one of his 'main characters' or the co-dm bailed out of the game.
Is the DM and the other guy a couple?
I would suggest leaving the group, and finding a DM who uses point buy stats and doesn't show such blatant favoritism.
Definately what blackbloodtroll said. It doesnt make sense why any GM would allow this buddy system in a game. Seems like an absolute guarantee for unhappy players.
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Online play is always an option.
BTW, thanks for all the replies.
Blackblood, no they are not a couple, but the other DM is my GF lol. I did try talking to her about it but i believe she see's the matter but doesn't want to cause friction with the other guy. She likes the game and her character and likes playing.
There was another that use to play but gave up because he thought it was going in a direction that he doesn't want to go. The other DM with power character, decided that we will gain 2 feats instead of 1. I find this unbalances the game and said so. I mean i believe paizo decided 1 feat for a reason.. BALANCE.
Unfortunately, i think that eventually this campaign might eventually stop because the others will lose interest.
BTW what book can i find the Synthesist Summoner??
Taason the Black wrote: It doesnt make sense why any GM would allow this buddy system in a game. Because RPGs are the right games to be played by the wrong people. ;-)
@ Amazonnia
Let me guess: He has a crush on your GF? ;-)
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So, your GM is giving your GF preferential treatment? That sounds like a red flag to me, and not about the game.
nah.. no crush, or anything like that, they play by post and come up with cool story hooks which i have to admit is interesting.
but my challenge rating has none since i don't even try anymore, sometimes i forget to pray and it doesn't seem to make a difference.
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You are a full-progression caster. There's enough inherent power in that to overcome this other fellow's martial build.
That aside, I'm not sure if an arms race is the best solution.
Still...not knowing the details of his build (what is a monk fighter?) is problematical. The more complex the build, the more likely there are mistakes in it. For example is he using full monk abilities in heavy armor? Doesn't work.
FYI. The Synthesist Archetype for summoners is located in Ultimate Magic. You can also look it up directly from Paizo's PRD. There are a lot of rules issues with this archetype so I strongly suggest reading the FAQ and the forums here before attempting it.
A simpler option would be an Invulnerable Rager barbarian. Or for that matter an Invulnerable Rager+Urban barbarian. The Guide to the Class Guides has one called "BARBARIAN AM SMASH - A Practical Guide to Breaking Faces by Trinam (Core, APG, UC) [Discussion]" if you are not familiar with it. My personal tweaks would be re-arranging some rage powers so Spell Sunder is taken at level 6. Urban barbarian archetype is useful so you can rage and still *think*
Essentially:
Human works best because of favored class bonus (more bonus to Superstition) but other +str races are viable (angel blooded aasimar, oni-blooded tiefling, etc...)
01-Feat-Power Attack
02-DR 1/- Rage Power: Superstition
03-Extreme Endurance, Feat-Improved Sunder
04-DR 2/- Rage Power: Witch Hunter (or Strength Surge)
05-Feat-Extra Rage Power: Strength Surge (or Witch Hunter)
06-DR 3/- Rage Power: Spell Sunder.
...invest in a GM screen to block the dice the GM will throw at you.
The second Rage power line to invest in is the Beast line. You want Greater Beast Totem at 10th to gain Pounce.
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This is your opportunity. You are playing a cleric - a devotee of a god, and gods need to be respected and worshiped, do they not? What heresy is this that someone not divinely blessed could be so powerful?
It is your duty (in-character, in-game) to expose him. Find his source of power. Pacts with devils? Bargains with demons? His very presence threatens the immortal souls of those around him!
Pray. Investigate. Prepare. Pass notes to the DM or send him private emails about what your character is doing in the background. You have a huge wisdom - rank up your Sense Motive. Interroga- I mean, question him on his beliefs and actions, his history. It is your divine duty to be vigilant.
Does he have ranks in Spellcraft? If not, he never knows quite what spells you are casting unless you tell him or they have obvious effects.
You have a quarry. You have a target. Your target trusts you. He may even rely on you for healing. Use any ranks in Heal and get a real *good* look at his body whenever you heal him.
As you are 4th level, you have access to these spells:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/z/zone-of-truth
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/t/touch-of-truthtelling
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/k/know-the-enemy
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/d/detect-evil (and good/chaos/law/magic)
(Of course you could always talk to the player on your own, 1-1, and tell him how his character makes you feel useless and not having fun. That's probably best.)
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Well if you want to go the imaginative roleplay route I suppose another way is to believe in the other character's godliness. If he is so powerful, maybe it's your duty to make sure that the 'lesser folks' in the party are warded and healed.
If he cries out for healing...well he's never shared his character sheet so his stats are a mystery. Perhaps he's just bluffing to fake out the opposition and surprise them so he can prevail yet again. It's hard to tell when he's so secretive.
Personally I'm not big on PvP but that's an option...
Plan A: Address the issue vocally, and see if anything can be done.
Plan B: Leave the game.
Plan C: If the problem will not be addressed, and you'd rather butt some heads and try to have fun then find another game, then you need to create a character designed to outshine him and take. him. out.
Well, maybe not LITERALLY take his character out. Your group might not be okay with PvP. Follow the advice of posters here and create a character that makes it harder for him to do what he's doing and see how he likes it.
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If the GM refuses to address it, try approaching the player like Echoen is mentioning. That could at the very least help you build up some fun times by playing off each other at the very least outside of combat. Perhaps ultimately you discern that he has no secret evil pacts, but instead decide that this man is so strong that clearly he must become a champion of your faith, and your goal is suddenly to convert him.
Much RP goodness to be found.
I'd personally follow Ellis' plan C, but that's because I'm an asshat.
OP: Just to be clear, is your girlfriend the one playing the overpowered character i.e. the character making the other PCs seem useless, or is someone else playing that character?
Demand the equivalent point buy, if the DM refuses just quit man. Why won't your girlfriend let you look at her character sheet?
EDIT: If he accepts ask to have the difficulty upped.
Thank you all for the suggestions.
The powerful character if a friend, not the GF. He started out as a fighter to get all these bonuses feats ect, exchanged all the proficiency.. Heavy, medium light armor, shield and all weapon types for feats. In a way to get all the feats he wants, then leveled up in monk so he can fury blows. I mean i don't see how that is fair but told everyone else to change ours... I need my shield and armor.. Maybe not heavy but still.
Then my gf started out to play her character... After a few sessions, they switched.. She dm while he gets to play so in a way she never bothered looking at his sheet since he was the dm and figured he probably knows what he's doing.
But i believe it ain't going to change and she doesn't want to cause conflict with him because some want to play. So i just might pull a kamikaze with my character.. Will have to read up how a character on death row works as this is the first time i had a character dying
As funny as a kamikaze death can be, are sure that is the best approach? If your death throw is going to be disruptive you may be better off just walking away from the game.
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Amazonnia wrote: Thank you all for the suggestions.
The powerful character if a friend, not the GF. He started out as a fighter to get all these bonuses feats ect, exchanged all the proficiency.. Heavy, medium light armor, shield and all weapon types for feats. In a way to get all the feats he wants, then leveled up in monk so he can fury blows. I mean i don't see how that is fair but told everyone else to change ours... I need my shield and armor.. Maybe not heavy but still.
Well that's your problem right there.
No offense to your GF, but that's a very poorly implemented house rule. Not all feats are created equal, and Medium/Heavy Armor Proficiency =/= Power Attack, Two Weapon Fighting, or any of the others he surely grabbed.
Make a barbarian using the same rule: give up martial weapon, medium armor, and shield proficiency for all the feats you'd normally take and then spend all the rest of your feats on EXtra Rage Powers, particularly the ones that grant natural attacks.
So, maybe I didn't understand this correctly so let me say it plainly. 2 people in this group take turns being the GM. When one is being the GM the other is playing Captain Bonus Feats? Yea. That seems legit.
Wait, what? This guy "replaced" his armor and weapon proficiencies separately for different feats? That is just... not how this works. At all. Especially if it's not an established house rule applying for everyone at the table, and it doesn't sound like that.
But what exactly do you mean by "buffing" - yourself, or the party? Because if you start selecting spells for yourself, things might not be as dire as it seems, especially if you start using energy channels to fuel special abilities. What PF sources are allowed in your game, and what domains do you have?
What about the rest of the group? Are the other players ok with this situation? What do their characters look like?
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