Tiefling Starting Ages - Ironclad rule, or flavor choice?


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Shadow Lodge 4/5

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Long story short, I want to make a Tiefling who's only about 20 years old for the sake of the timeline of his backstory (adopted by a human ranger, I don't want him to be like, halfway through early childhood when his father dies of old age).

Can I make this choice in Pathfinder Society? or is the "Age of Adulthood" an ironclad rule for PFS characters?

4/5 5/5

On page 7, the current Guide wrote:
A character can not be younger than the minimum age listed on Table 7–1 of the Core Rulebook, or listed on Table 5–1 of the Advanced Race Guide, and must be younger than venerable, as listed on Table 7–2 of the Core Rulebook and Table 5–4 of the Advanced Race Guide.

Sovereign Court 3/5

Page 7, Guide to PFS, Step 1: Ability Scores wrote:
Pathfinder Society uses the “purchase” system for generating ability scores, as explained on pages 15–16 of the Core Rulebook. Pathfinder Society uses the “High Fantasy” choice of 20 points, allowing you to build a solid PC at 1st level. Please remember that no score can be reduced below 7 or raised above 18. Racial modifiers are applied after the points are spent, so it is possible to begin play with a low ability score of 5 and a high ability score of 20, depending on your race choice. A character can not be younger than the minimum age listed on Table 7–1 of the Core Rulebook, or listed on Table 5–1 of the Advanced Race Guide, and must be younger than venerable, as listed on Table 7–2 of the Core Rulebook and Table 5–4 of the Advanced Race Guide. A character that ages past venerable, for whatever reason, dies of old age and is removed from the campaign. Characters do not alter their ability scores as a result of this choice.
Advanced Race Guide (Because CRB doesn't list tieflings wrote:

Race Middle Age1 Old2 Venerable3 Maximum Age

*snip
Tiefling 150 years 200 years 250 years 250 + 6d% years
*snip*

The above Table

The odd thing, though, is there's a James Jacobs post about his discontent with the ARG tiefling block, being that it breaks a centifigal plot point in an AP whose name I won't bring up (in the exact same way it breaks the OP's backstory.)

EDIT: Agh, ninjas! But I have links!

Liberty's Edge 4/5 5/5

I thought Aasimar and Tieflings had been retconned to match human ageing?

EDIT: James Jacobs quote confirming my thought.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

Paz wrote:

I thought Aasimar and Tieflings had been retconned to match human ageing?

EDIT: James Jacobs quote confirming my thought.

OhthankSarenrae.

Thank you very much for the responses! This makes his backstory much... much simpler.

The Exchange 5/5

so... now we have two sets of guidelines.

expect YMMV problems...


I'd say you can leave it to the DM to decide.

The Exchange 5/5

Icyshadow wrote:
I'd say you can leave it to the DM to decide.

very hard to do in PFS, where some table judges get real upset when a player is "trying to pull something" by making their PC younger.

Sovereign Court 3/5

Until Mike/Mark/John chime in, we're theoretically should be going by the RAW of 100+ years, though Age is one of the few things that aside from access to a few feats and the aging bonus (which is explicitly not used), that has no mechanical benefit (especially in PFS.)

I suppose the ever-present "Expect Table Variation" should be applied here as well? It'd be my "safe" answer for this inquiry.


nosig wrote:
Icyshadow wrote:
I'd say you can leave it to the DM to decide.
Very hard to do in PFS, where some table judges get real upset when a player is "trying to pull something" by making their PC younger.

Then maybe they should regulate the number of jerk DM people around in PFS? ;D

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I don't have a problem with JJ comments, but for the record, JJ is not a rules source.

I doubt this will ever be a problem though.

5/5 5/55/55/5

Just make it a female tiefling. NO ONE is going to question her age.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

It's a big enough gray area to fly a Great Wyrm through, so I think I'm fine with having a character whose only-relevant-for-roleplay background says 20 and not 60.

The Exchange 5/5 RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

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"My tiefling deformities include appearing to age at 6 times my actual age. So, although I'm only 20, I appear to be 120. It's a terrible freakish thing."

"Um, you look like a young adult, albeit with purple skin and a row of bony knobs down your arms."

"Well, yes! 120 is 'young adult' for those of my ilk. Most 20-year-old tieflings are still in diapers."

Grand Lodge 1/5

Yet, since this is a Golarion setting, it would probably behoove Mike/Mark/John to consider making Tiefling and Aasimar age ranges be in line with Humans, as is the change made for Golarion Campaign Setting...

But it is up to them, of course. ;)


My thought is that most "can I reflavor this?" questions are easily handled: write the rules-as-written value down on your character sheet, and know in your heart that your character sheet is wrong.

My character sheet may say that I have a 120-year-old tiefling riding a horse, but you can't stop me from believing deep down inside that he's really a 12-year-old balor riding a giant pig! :-)

The Exchange 5/5

Chris Mortika wrote:

"My tiefling deformities include appearing to age at 6 times my actual age. So, although I'm only 20, I appear to be 120. It's a terrible freakish thing."

"Um, you look like a young adult, albeit with purple skin and a row of bony knobs down your arms."

"Well, yes! 120 is 'young adult' for those of my ilk. Most 20-year-old tieflings are still in diapers."

wouldn't that be:

"My tiefling deformities include appearing to age at on sixth my actual age. So, although I'm 120, I appear to only be 20. It's a terrible freakish thing."

(bolding my changes): otherwise you are not conforming to the RAW... "What do you think you're trying to pull?!! NOT AT MY TABLE MISTER!"

;)

after all, you can't be a Tiefling PC and be 20.

Grand Lodge 5/5

Don't forget the Class adjustment to the minimum starting age for Tieflings.

The youngest possible Tiefling in PFS play is 64 and that is for: barbarians, oracles, rogues, and sorcerers. Other Classes would be a few years older.

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If the tiefling is adopted, couldn't he be adopted at an age where a human could train him? That is the ranger found him when he was 90-100 years old. Yes he is 120, but that is only 20 in human years (840 in dog years).

4/5

I don't know about Tieflings but this table is absolutely terrible for Aasimars given how they are stated to age with (non-Aasimar peers) in blood of angels.

Shadow Lodge

Mike posted awhile ago when I asked about Aasimar, referencing a James Jacobs post, let me see if I can find it.

here

Since there has been no official errata however...

The thing is, James Jacobs is not a rules guy, until there is a rule that says they age as humans, the guide restricts us from playing them at younger ages.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Errata for ARG will probably not be published until it is reprinted, as that has been Paizo's approach with all the other hardcovers.

Lantern Lodge 3/5

I actually rather enjoy their (very appropriate given their heritage in my opinion) longevity. It would be a shame to see it revoked.

5/5 5/55/55/5

Lormyr wrote:
I actually rather enjoy their (very appropriate given their heritage in my opinion) longevity. It would be a shame to see it revoked.

Who's going to toilet train hellboy until he's 30 though? A cute lil angel, sure. A tiefling? No way.

Silver Crusade 5/5 5/5 **

hogarth wrote:

My thought is that most "can I reflavor this?" questions are easily handled: write the rules-as-written value down on your character sheet, and know in your heart that your character sheet is wrong.

My character sheet may say that I have a 120-year-old tiefling riding a horse, but you can't stop me from believing deep down inside that he's really a 12-year-old balor riding a giant pig! :-)

This is exactly right. Don't tell the GM the back story and everybody is happy.

I have an Aasimar who should be about 16 years old. That is her age in my mind. But her hero lab character sheet says she is 65 odd. I always introduce her as "she appears to be about 16". She also has the Scion of Humanity trait so it makes even less sense that she is 65 odd.

Sovereign Court 5/5 RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

pauljathome wrote:


I have an Aasimar who should be about 16 years old. That is her age in my mind. But her hero lab character sheet says she is 65 odd. I always introduce her as "she appears to be about 16". She also has the Scion of Humanity trait so it makes even less sense that she is 65 odd.

I always thought that would be the best way to balance the two. Take scion of humanity, now you age like a human.

Shadow Lodge 1/5

I always thought it was varies. Some aged like a human, some are long-lived.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 5/5

Ninjaxenomorph wrote:
I always thought it was varies. Some aged like a human, some are long-lived.

Given that some people seem determined to take the word of a rulebook (already acknowledged as in error) over that of the main person responsible for Golarion lore, that's probably the best way to go.

Personally, all my tieflings/aasimar will follow human ages...

Lantern Lodge 3/5

BigNorseWolf wrote:
Lormyr wrote:
I actually rather enjoy their (very appropriate given their heritage in my opinion) longevity. It would be a shame to see it revoked.
Who's going to toilet train hellboy until he's 30 though? A cute lil angel, sure. A tiefling? No way.

After spending about 15 minutes flipping through blood of angels, blood of fiends, and elves of golarion, I have been unable to locate anything that mentions if they remain infants longer than their shorter lived peers, or if the mature at largely the same rate but their society treats them differently, or if they mature through some stages at a fairly standard rate and then slow pace for other aging stages.

So unless I simply missed that information in my skimming, I suppose it falls to the GM to decide such things. So on that note, if we use your thoughts, all PFS plane touched must be of human ancestry. Do you know anyone who would potty train anything for 30 years? F that lol.

I personally prefer to go with such races maturing at a fairly normal rate, but lingering longer in the mental state of adolescent and teenager before "growing up". To each their own though unless we can find a reference to correct us.

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