Does this spell function as Quivering Palm where you don't need direct line of sight for the attack to connect or do the crows only fly within the spell's range when it was cast?
Since it's supposed to function like a ranged unarmed strike I would say that it requires line of sight. If you don't have line of sight the enemy would have concealment against you and you can't punch at what you can't see.
Also Quivering Palm needs line of sight too, at least for the initial attack (because it requires a normal melee attack which deals damage to deliver the Quivering Palm attack). After that, within a number of days equal to the monks level he can will the creature to die, which does not require line of sight.
Since it's supposed to function like a ranged unarmed strike I would say that it requires line of sight. If you don't have line of sight the enemy would have concealment against you and you can't punch at what you can't see.
Also Quivering Palm needs line of sight too, at least for the initial attack (because it requires a normal melee attack which deals damage to deliver the Quivering Palm attack). After that, within a number of days equal to the monks level he can will the creature to die, which does not require line of sight.
My friend is arguing that you don't need Line of Sight to hit the opponent. You just need to "think" of where they are and it works.
No, thats not how it works at all. Quivering Palm functions that way after you have landed a melee attack on them which dealt damage and which you declared as your one Quivering Palm attempt per day.
Almost all spells need line of sight to affect someone, with the exception of area of effects spell (such as fireball and someone around a corner) because you must be able to target them. You cannot target something that has total concealment.
Targeted ranged attacks (which includes Blood Crow Strike) require line of sight, without question.
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"Your unarmed strikes release blasts of energy in the form of bolts of fire or glowing red crows, which fly instantaneously to strike your target. You can make unarmed strike or flurry of blows attacks against the target as if it were in your threatened area; each successful attack deals damage as if you had hit it with your unarmed strike, except half the damage is fire and half is negative energy (this negative energy does not heal undead). For example, if you are a 14th-level monk, you can use a flurry of blows to attack five times, creating one energy crow for each successful attack against the target, and dealing 2d6 points of damage (plus appropriate unarmed strike modifiers) with each crow."
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateMagic/spells/bloodCrowStrike.htm l
If there was a giant pillar in your way, and you had a reach weapon, and they were still within range, would it hit the target? Not likely due to two accounts: They would either be considered to have partial or full-cover, or it would be considered a "hard corner" sort of thing where you basically just could not hit them with that attack. From the looks of it, Line of Sight would be required. It's not the greatest spell in the game for sure, and honestly without Quicken Spell-like Ability it's pretty worthless. To top it off, fire and negative are two VERY common energy types to be resisted after a certain amount of progression through the campaign.
Kazaan, could you provide a link to that description you are stating? I don't see where it says "marks a target".
I'd recommend not taking that ability.
Trung, in regards to your OP, any melee requires line of sight to use. Typically you aren't meleeing within the 5ft range or further with a giant pillar in the way are you? Sounds kind of silly. Quivering Palm is the same as any other melee attack, it has to connect for it to work(even though the opposing creature will probably fort save).
Correct me with links if I'm wrong.
Blood Crow Strike is a spell with a single target.
Some spells have a target or targets. You cast these spells on creatures or objects, as defined by the spell itself. You must be able to see or touch the target, and you must specifically choose that target. You do not have to select your target until you finish casting the spell.
So at the beginning of your turn you need to actually see the target of the blood crow strike to make it happen (Much like magic missile). Then a flurry of blows flies off and smacks the target.
Kazaan, it seems clear that you want this to work despite anyone's opinions to the contray.
LOE and LOS are required to successfully cast the spell on someone. I agree that you could start casting without a valid target and hope that someone moves to where they become a valid tagret. Since it requires a full round cast time you would start casting and right before your next turn the spell completes and you choose a target at that moment. This is important because if you're a 7th level cleric who just got this spell and started casting and want to select a target that is 160ft away that would be a legal target, but if that target moves out of range on their turn moving to be 180ft from you then the spell would not be able to successfully be cast on them, similarly the spell cannot be cast on someone with total concealment against you either becasue they cannot be selected as a valid target.
You must have LOS/LOE to your spell target at the moment the spell is complete and if you do, by the virtue of the way the spell works you will have LOS/LOE for the ranged unarmed strikes.
Forget this non-sense of being threatened means that this spell is someone how a heat seeking missle, it doesn't work that way. Magic missle is basically a heat seeking missle that never misses, but you still can't select someone as a target who has total cover relative to you.
Kazaan, it seems clear that you want this to work despite anyone's opinions to the contray.Fail. Try reading next time instead of just skimming.
Perhaps I misunderstood your statements, I redact my statement of "it seems clear". However, do not assume that I skimmed it just because I missread a few points. Upon reading your statement again I now undersatnd your position correctly I believe.
Although, I will admit I found it weird because your earlier posts were in agreement with mine, but I thought you had changed you opinion. Mostly because I misread your example about the spear and wall and threatening to the point where I thought you were implying that the "threatened" clause of the spell somehow let you ignore cover.
I apologize.
Reading the spell text, does casting the spell once allow you to use unarmed strikes/flurry of blows against the target at any time? Does it allow you to do it at any range? How does targeting work for ongoing effects resulting from a spell that has already been cast but doesn't say anything about range limits during the ongoing effect (like other spells or effects)?
If the answer is no, please provide the reasoning using the rules.
Upon your initiative count you begin to cast the spell and you can select the target immeadiately or wait (selecting immeadiately is actually a bad idea since it has a long casting time). As the spell is complete (right before your iniative count on the next turn) you can select your target (which most be within the spells range and you must have LOS/LOE to). On your next turn, which occurs immeadiately after this selection, you must use the power of the spell to perform the unarmed strike or flurry of blows or lose the power because the spell has a duration of instanteous. If the target was a valid tagret (i.e. within range and within LOE/LOS) then their position will not have changed from the completion of the spell to attacking them with your now ranged unarmed strikes. As to your final question, can you provide an example of spell that does such a thing? The nearest thing I can think of is flaming sphere, but that has a defined range that the sphere can go to and the rules for moving it are stated.