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So, I was at a game yesterday and I was speaking with some players and said that I would play Lantern Lodge until the closing adventure.
Now some players said they'd prefer Shadow Lodge.
My response was, that I would transfer to the Shadow Lodge after ending the Lantern Lodge. Which did prompt everyone at my table of lvl. 1s to change their PCs to Lantern Lodge and follow my example.
So, quick question is. Will this be allowed?
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So what I think you're asking is if you can have a character be in the Lantern Lodge, play through the Way of the Kirin, use your free faction change to go to the Shadow Lodge, play through Rivalries' End, and use another free faction change to change to one of the remaining factions.
I *think* you can. Worst case, it would be ruled that you had to pay for that second Faction change with PPs.
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Since we have actually not seen the rules yet for the free faction change, at least I have not yet, I think it is premature for any of us to be able answer that question if the question is what pH unbalanced saud.
Also, As far as I am aware the free faction change will not happen until Season 5 which at that point you can't become Shadow Lodge.
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The way I understood it was that you change factions after you complete the Way of the Kirin, which then gives you the option to change factions or you can hold on to it until the end of S4, when it will automatically be changed for you.
So, if you can change it after the mission, I should be able to pick a new faction, once my faction no longer exists.
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The extra-special bonus awarded for playing Way of the Kirin with a Lantern Lodge PC will not stack with the bonus for playing a Shadow Lodge PC in Rivalry's End. If you want to make that change, you can do so, but you'll only get one free faction change at the end of the season, so you'd need to pay for either the switch to the Shadow Lodge or the switch from Shadow Lodge to another one.
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The extra-special bonus awarded for playing Way of the Kirin with a Lantern Lodge PC will not stack with the bonus for playing a Shadow Lodge PC in Rivalry's End. If you want to make that change, you can do so, but you'll only get one free faction change at the end of the season, so you'd need to pay for either the switch to the Shadow Lodge or the switch from Shadow Lodge to another one.
Exactly when can faction changes take place? For story reasons, I'd like to play my Lantern Lodge character in Way of the Kirin, then switch factions immediately. I'm really hoping I don't have to wait a month or two to change factions after Way of the Kirin, especially if later season 4 scenarios don't have faction missions for LL any more.
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Mark, you may want to clarify because the blog post as well as the podcast mention "character will have up to August 14th to change", implying that you can switch from any point now until gencon.
I think your post that the boons will not stack will answer the OPs question. My guess is you get ONE free faction change due to the elimination of the factions. Any more than that is exploiting the system and you need to pay the required PP for it. Level 1 characters could change now for free, but not later (and they'd need to be 3 by the summer to play in it)
Fromper, my guess is all season 4 scenarios would have LL missions. They can't guarantee when or in what order a character/player will get to play Way of the Kirin.
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I'd still like my Lantern Lodge character to leave the Lodge right after playing Way of the Kirin, without having to wait until August 14. I'm just waiting for the official announcement about the details of the faction changes.
And I was also considering the "Can I change from Lantern Lodge to Shadow Lodge and try for both boons?" question even before I saw this thread, so I'm glad we have a clarification on that already.
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If you are Shadow Lodge or Lantern Lodge, You are able to change factions once for free between now and Gen Con. Whenever you decide to do it is solely up to you.
Thanks for the clarification. I just wasn't sure when the starting time period for changing was.
Next question: What happens to a PC who doesn't change in time? As a non-hypothetical example, I have a level 14 Shadow Lodge barbarian who I may never play again. Given that his identity and life story are pretty closely linked to having Grandmaster Torch as his mentor, I've decided that since it'll probably never matter anyhow, I'm not going to bother picking a new faction for him. What happens if I end up playing him in a module or GenCon special or something in a year or two?
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Next question: What happens to a PC who doesn't change in time?Then the next time that PC plays, it needs to choose a new faction.
That's pretty much the answer I was hoping for. That leaves me the option of retiring the character as Shadow Lodge and worrying about it if/when I ever end up playing him again. Given the special title he earned at the end of Eyes of the Ten, I think I already know what faction he'll take for his new one, but I refuse to change until I have to. :P
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Sorry if this has already been answered, but I haven't found it yet.
First:
Story wise are the members of the Lantern Lodge (or Shadow Lodge)expected to mostly go toward one or another of the remaining lodges?
For example, while players have a choice, will the storyline expect that most Lanter Lodge members of the society go to say Qadira?
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I have repeatedly heard it mentioned that there will be a special boon for people in Lantern Lodge when it goes away. Are they really just talking about the one you get at the end of Way of the Kirin? Or is there something else?
Because I am unlikely to be 3rd level to play it by this summer.
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Story wise are the members of the Lantern Lodge (or Shadow Lodge)expected to mostly go toward one or another of the remaining lodges?
No, players will be able to choose any faction and the metaplot of the campaign won't urge them toward any faction over the other seven.
I have repeatedly heard it mentioned that there will be a special boon for people in Lantern Lodge when it goes away. Are they really just talking about the one you get at the end of Way of the Kirin? Or is there something else?
Because I am unlikely to be 3rd level to play it by this summer.
The boon will appear on the Way of the Kirin Chronicle sheet and only be applicable to a PC who is a member of the Lantern Lodge when playing the scenario. Since the Lantern Lodge will remain a valid option only until the start of Season 5, after that point no one will qualify for the boon.
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...The boon will appear on the Way of the Kirin Chronicle sheet and only be applicable to a PC who is a member of the Lantern Lodge when playing the scenario. Since the Lantern Lodge will remain a valid option only until the start of Season 5, after that point no one will qualify for the boon.I have repeatedly heard it mentioned that there will be a special boon for people in Lantern Lodge when it goes away. Are they really just talking about the one you get at the end of Way of the Kirin? Or is there something else?
Because I am unlikely to be 3rd level to play it by this summer.
Is it possible, as zefig suggested, to play the pregen and apply the chronicle sheet (with boon) to a character who is in the lantern lodge but not yet 3rd level (when it eventually does reach 3rd level).
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If you are Shadow Lodge or Lantern Lodge, You are able to change factions once for free between now and Gen Con. Whenever you decide to do it is solely up to you.
Just want to verify whether or not there's a process to this, or if I can just go to my character and 'edit' his faction...
Thanks in advance.
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I believe on the podcast Mike, Mark, and John said yes, you get to keep your faction vanities and traits. I don't think anything has been said to change that. I sure hope it's the case, anyway, as my ninja is 1 Fame away from qualifying for Master (failed one faction mission, due to a lack of the Intimidate skill). Also, she'd lose her weapon proficiency in her primary weapon if she lost the faction trait.
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I believe that you, in general, keep your faction traits, however, there is one faction trait, for Lantern Lodge, that is also being retired when the faction goesa away as PC-playable.
I believe it is mentioned in the blog. For what it's worth, my weak memory thinks it is Master, but definitely check the blog to verify.
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The blog doesn't say anything about faction traits or vanities from what I can see. You even responded in the feedback about needing to be almost to 8th level to qualify for Master. It's possible that was said somewhere else, which would be mildly disappointing. I still have the option of not spending the prestige, and I suppose I'd immediately qualify for whatever faction I change to's 40 fame vanity, but for Lantern Lodge character's that already have Master, they'd be out their title, 10prestige points, and the benefit of the vanity (+2 Init). So I hope you're remembering incorrectly, but if anyone knows if this was said somewhere, can you link to it?
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If you are Shadow Lodge or Lantern Lodge, You are able to change factions once for free between now and Gen Con. Whenever you decide to do it is solely up to you.Just want to verify whether or not there's a process to this, or if I can just go to my character and 'edit' his faction...
Thanks in advance.
I'd like an answer to this as well. Do we just go online to our character hit edit and pick a new faction? Then all the points suddenly show up for that faction?
My Account > Pathfinder Society (make changes) > edit character > click on new faction?
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No link, but my memory is that the one item no longer available would be the Shadow Lodge's discounted body retrieval service (No one left behind). Not sure why that needed to be called out specifically as gone, but it was. I believe ex Lantern Lodge PCs can keep all traits and vanities purchased.
Well that's a relief. I'm not sure why that vanity would need to be called out either, since once you've switched factions, you wouldn't have access to it.
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Good question. I assume without a statement saying you can't keep it, and the previous statement saying you can keep vanities, that you'd be allowed to keep it. It would hardly seem fair for Shadow Lodge characters to lose all their vanities, while Lantern Lodge characters keep theirs. Though that would be exactly like the Decemvirate, trying to break the union.
Are Shadow Lodge agents in Season 2 falsely claiming they represent Torch? Or do they actually represent Torch? I guess I remember some scenarios with rogue shadow lodge in season 2.
Also, man, compared to the other factions, Shadow Lodge got the short end of the stick when it comes to vanities. They have a few good traits, but save 2pp on a body recovery compared to save 8pp on a raise dead for Osirion? Don't Sully the Name compared to most other 20 fame vanities is extremely specialized. And those are their only two options. At least they only have to suffer the insult a little while longer. My Shadow Lodge character might get to 20 fame, but it's just not the same appeal as Master or even Honorific. No title and a situational bonus that will likely only become less able to be used going forward.
Lantern Lodge, on the other hand, has some of the best traits and vanities.
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Are Shadow Lodge agents in Season 2 falsely claiming they represent Torch? Or do they actually represent Torch? I guess I remember some scenarios with rogue shadow lodge in season 2.
That's the doublethink getting to you. In season 2, they were all really Shadow Lodge. In Season 3 and 4, they were "Rogue" Shadow Lodge. Now, with SL no longer a playable faction in Season 5, they may go back to being "real" Shadow Lodge agents.
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Season 2 Shadow Lodge were, mainly, a bunch of anti-Pathfinders, mainly former/existing Pathfinders, who worked for someone besides Grandmaster Torch. Indeed, in one Season 2 scenario, your Pathfinder mission, IIRC, is to prevent GT from being assassinated...