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Essentially, yes, at least according to what I've been reading. I myself believe that everyone should have the same rights and freedoms, regardless of sexuality, but agree that the rights of one group, like gay people, shouldn't take precedence over the natural rights all people have.
The part where the argument that 'same-sex marriage will destroy the family' falls apart is that there are plenty of examples of European countries where same-sex families live right next door to traditional families, and nothing untoward has happened. There are actual examples in existence that prove the arguments against homosexual rights false.
It's always interesting that someone claiming a conspiracy might be possible is called a loon.
I think we all realize a conspiracy "might be possible." This is more a case of calling a duck, well, a duck.
The part where the argument that same-sex marriage will destroy the family falls apart is that there are plenty of examples of European countries where same-sex families live right next door to traditional families, and nothing untoward has happened. There are actual examples in existence that prove the arguments against homosexual rights false.
Noooooo! It's the collapse of Western Civilization! IT'S A CONSPIRACY, MAN!
:P
My apologies for being a bit snippy this morning...every now and then I forget why avoiding off-topic is a good idea. :)
Exactly. It's so obviously wrong that the speaker has to either know it and be deliberately lying or very paranoid.
I stopped at the first blatant lie. That took 24 seconds. The first thing you can do is learn to spot lies better.
Maybe I missed it...what "lie" did you hear?
Just curious...
That would be "where their are socialists, communists are never far behind."
Which is demonstrably false.
The vast majority of western and northern europe, are social democracies. They have never been communist states, and communism has never really stood a serious chance in these states.
Oh yeah?
Then how come every time Samnell is around, Comrade Anklebiter isn't far behind? Huh?
Vive le Galt!
Goblins like the smell of Samnell?
Well, that's true, too.
If we're worried about Cultural Marxism, will we have a Cultural HUAC?
M'lord Dice says we one to put those unwashed hippies from the Occupy Movement in their place, whatever that means. (I'm not political.)
Hee hee! Bumming.
Hee hee! Rides.
[When he's least expecting it, smacks Dicey]
Personally, I'm worried about the baggage retrieval system they've got at Heathrow.
Sure...but is it Marxist?* ;)
*Read: Satanic.
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Y'know, after reading this thread further, here's what I have to say about Cultural Marxism:
If Marcuse and Adorno had done their jobs half as well as is claimed, I'd have more favorited posts.
Zousha can I suggest that you take a look at some of the Skeptic pod-casts and sites just to counter the the stuff you have overloaded on.
Skeptoid
skeptoid.com
The Skeptics Guide to the Universe
http://www.theskepticsguide.org/
The Skeptic Blog
http://www.skepticblog.org/
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The part where the argument that same-sex marriage will destroy the family falls apart is that there are plenty of examples of European countries where same-sex families live right next door to traditional families, and nothing untoward has happened. There are actual examples in existence that prove the arguments against homosexual rights false.
Fact! Reason! Evidence! Reality! tools of the Marxist agenda!
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...It's always interesting that someone claiming a conspiracy might be possible is called a loon.
Do you, explicitly and implicitly, believe everything that everyone in power says? Probably not. At the very least, I pity you if you do. Those in power are there because they WANT to be there. And they want to be there because there is OPPORTUNITY in being there. Only... the people have expectations of what their elected representatives should be doing and what they should NOT be doing, which limits opportunity. Thus, there will always be profit in doing stuff under the radar. More than that, nothing that would seriously limit this possibility would ever be signed into law by these people. It's not rocket science, right?
Now... what would such a conspiracy consist of? At one level, it's just one public representative acting in his or her own self-interest, without any sort of thought of "hey, let's oppress the masses!" But, at another level, these people don't live in a vacuum. They talk with one another, they have interrelations, they have dynastic families, they write for one another and read and discuss what others have written. In this lies a fundamental influence, which most likely translates into "what those in power like and want, will find expression in the systems they operate in, and what they do not like will not." Whether there is anything more organized than this really does not matter, the effects are the same.
So what do they want? Salaries, fringe benefits, money, influence, power to shape the world around them, loyalty from those below them, approval from those above them, positions for their friends, future retreat posts where they can relax once their careers are over. Now, the best way of getting these things is to create LARGE governing bodies. Smaller units get ordered beneath new, bigger governing bodies, which provides new positions, new budgets, new ways to influence.
The sad part is... this is not something that has been going on for 60 years. It's been
thejeff types thetruth.
This thread makes me laugh.
Sorry op, but I respectfully disagree with you. I'll leave it at that.
Personally, I'm worried about the baggage retrieval system they've got at Heathrow.
It took a little while, but eventually I remembered where that came from...
This thread makes me laugh.
Sorry op, but I respectfully disagree with you. I'll leave it at that.
I hereby declare you and enemy of the Cultural Marxist Revolution! Doesn't Anklebiter have a saying when this happens?
Goblins do it in the street?
Goblins do it in the street?
Hmm...I thought it had to do with beheading. But that works. :)
I would never threaten Comrade Freehold with the People's Revolutionary Justice.
But I would.
Vive le Galt!
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I would never threaten Comrade Freehold with the People's Revolutionary Justice.
Given the choice between the guillotine and having a goblin "do it" to me in the street, I'd take the guillotine. :P
Personally, I'm worried about the baggage retrieval system they've got at Heathrow.It took a little while, but eventually I remembered where that came from...At least someone did.
I feel old.
I laughed but that's because I know Doug and Dinsdale Piranha.
@Bugleyman--The People's Tribunal will take that into consideration, but, really, goblins are kind, considerate and generous lovers despite the lies that Paizo spreads.
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@Bugleyman--The People's Tribunal will take that into consideration, but, really, goblins are kind, considerate and generous lovers despite the lies that Paizo spreads.
And goblins are hung like rogue gorillas.
[blushes]
Well, I didn't want to brag...
Fact! Reason! Evidence! Reality! tools of the Marxist agenda!
It's what I've been saying all along, Comrade Wolf.
[blushes]
Well, I didn't want to brag...
An average of 3cm or 2 inches when fully erect.
Yeah, well, we're only three feet tall...
Bummer the Jeff removed his post with the very educational link...
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Then how come every time Samnell is around, Comrade Anklebiter isn't far behind? Huh?Because you're bumming rides off him?
Bums and riding are definitely involved. I don't know how much longer my hips and back can take it. I mean, do I look like I'm used to carrying a lot of rear-mounted weight?
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LGBT activism claims to advocate for equal rights but in doing so marginalizes and breaks up the biological family
Ok, I need to stop you right here and ask a question:
HOW? I mean, I'm a gay dude and I think gay sex is pretty much the bee's knees, but how is me and my boyfriend getting it off and then getting married marginalizing and breaking up anybody's biological family?
This is what I'm asking for when I want the step-by-step. How does letting GLBT people serve in the military, adopt children, marry, not get murdered for loving while non-hetero, etc, actually do any of that.
Separate, but related topic. You've asked for some stuff you could read to help broaden your perspectives. You appear to have the fundamentalist and wild misogynist fringe (Valerie Solanis as a leading light of feminist thought? Really!?) adequately covered, which is great because I lack the inclination to give recommendations for those. Instead I offer this. Given your citation of the non-aggression principle, this part is especially relevant. If you want a little more thorough, here you go.
If you want to learn more about actual modern feminism, you could do worse than head on over to Atheism+ and ask some polite questions in their Information and Answers forum. Because to be blunt, your description of the movement resembles reality no more than I resemble a magical princess.
Frankly, I'm more Bothered about Dungeons and Dragons than Concerned over Cultural Marxism.
Why is this on the forums again?
Frankly, I'm more Bothered about Dungeons and Dragons than Concerned over Cultural Marxism.
Why is this on the forums again?
I am very concerned that people don't know who Doug and Dinsdale Piranha are.... Then again Spiny Norman may be about.
Ok, I need to stop you right here and ask a question:
HOW? I mean, I'm a gay dude and I think gay sex is pretty much the bee's knees, but how is me and my boyfriend getting it off and then getting married marginalizing and breaking up anybody's biological family?
My wife sold my kids to gypsies and then left me as soon as she found out you were getting it on with a guy. Nice going, dude.
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This is what I'm asking for when I want the step-by-step. How does letting GLBT people serve in the military, adopt children, marry, not get murdered for loving while non-hetero, etc, actually do any of that.
Easy. All of those things provide facts. Facts are inimacle to conservatism. The more that people see that homosexuals can serve in the military openly, marry, adopt, raise kids, and freely walk down the street without being stoned WITHOUT causing the collapse of society as we know it or God dropping a meteor on their heads, the worse the contrast between reality and conservatism becomes.
If people see that the social aspects of conservatism are false, they might see that the economical aspects of conservatism are false. If you can't scare people into voting against their own economic interests to prevent a non existant evil, then how can you do it? Without people voting against their own economic interests we'd have a progressive taxation that would put a higher tax burden on the rich and less on the poor and middle class.
Minorities and homosexuals HAVE to be a boogie man to scare people. No one is scared of a boogie man they see every day being normal. The more different and "other" homosexuals stay the scarier they can be. Take that away and conservatives will have to rely on their policies.
Frankly, I'm more Bothered about Dungeons and Dragons than Concerned over Cultural Marxism.
Why is this on the forums again?
I am very concerned that people don't know who Doug and Dinsdale Piranha are.... Then again Spiny Norman may be about.
Thankfully, giant talking hedgehogs are exceptionally rare...
"DINSDALE!!"
Frankly, I'm more Bothered about Dungeons and Dragons than Concerned over Cultural Marxism.
Why is this on the forums again?
I am very concerned that people don't know who Doug and Dinsdale Piranha are.... Then again Spiny Norman may be about.
Thankfully, giant talking hedgehogs are exceptionally rare...
"DINSDALE!!"
"DINSDALE!!"
I don't worry too much about him, I'm really good at not being seen, usually I just hide behind a larch tree.
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LGBT activism claims to advocate for equal rights but in doing so marginalizes and breaks up the biological familyOk, I need to stop you right here and ask a question:
HOW? I mean, I'm a gay dude and I think gay sex is pretty much the bee's knees, but how is me and my boyfriend getting it off and then getting married marginalizing and breaking up anybody's biological family?
This is what I'm asking for when I want the step-by-step. How does letting GLBT people serve in the military, adopt children, marry, not get murdered for loving while non-hetero, etc, actually do any of that.
Separate, but related topic. You've asked for some stuff you could read to help broaden your perspectives. You appear to have the fundamentalist and wild misogynist fringe (Valerie Solanis as a leading light of feminist thought? Really!?) adequately covered, which is great because I lack the inclination to give recommendations for those. Instead I offer this. Given your citation of the non-aggression principle, this part is especially relevant. If you want a little more thorough, here you go.
If you want to learn more about actual modern feminism, you could do worse than head on over to Atheism+ and ask some polite questions in their Information and Answers forum. Because to be blunt, your description of the movement resembles reality no more than I resemble a magical princess.
Take a look here and here. They're a discussion about confirmation bias in studies of LGBT populations, which is more interested in pushing a cultural determinist view of gender that ignores biological reality.
And I'm actually quite wary about this Atheism+, as of this video, as well as the assertion of NAFALT (Not All Feminists Are Like That), as demonstrated here in this video.
Also, thank you for those criticisms. It is rather eye-opening, and corroborates some of the suspicions I've had of Libertarianism since the beginning, namely the question of how such a system could begin to be implemented in the current political climate. From what I can tell...it can't. I like to think of myself as a supporter of minarchism, but I don't think I can in good conscience call myself that given that it doesn't seem like there's any way I could help such a change come to be. For all RockingMrE rants about how bad consequentialist thinking is, it seems like it's unavoidable, as whenever a decision is made, it's natural to think about the outcome, and those thoughts, whether rational or not, will influence the decision.
Thanks again, you've given me a lot to think about.
Plus, at the risk of sounding like a hypocrite, I personally support the rights of the LGBT community. Gay people SHOULD have the same rights and freedoms as everyone else. I made sure to vote NO on the proposed Constitutional Amendment here in Minnesota that would have made the legal definition of marriage heterosexual only, and I'm glad that amendment didn't pass.
I'm sorry if I've been rude or disrespectful. I was kind of emotional when I started this topic, jumped up on paranoia and such.