Charge and Bull Rush: +2 CMB, or +4 CMB and -2AC


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Charge grants a +2 bonus on the attack roll, and -2 penalty to AC. It also grants a +2 bonus to CMB for Bull Rush.

1) Do those bonuses stack? (+4 CMB, -2 AC)

2) Is the first set of bonuses eliminated by replacing the charge attack with a CM? (+2 CMB only)

3) Would the two bonuses not stack but the penalty still apply? (+2 CMB, -2 AC)

I think it's not 3, since they're all untyped. I think it's not 2, since a charging sunder should still grant the +2 attack/-2 AC. That leaves 1, which gives bull rush an extra bonus for charging. Thematically, that makes sense to me. (greater bonus to just ram right into the guy than to run up, stop, and take a swing at him)

Relevant rules:

PRD wrote:


Attacking on a Charge: After moving, you may make a single melee attack. You get a +2 bonus on the attack roll and take a –2 penalty to your AC until the start of your next turn.

A charging character gets a +2 bonus on combat maneuver attack rolls made to bull rush an opponent.

Bull Rush: You can make a bull rush as a standard action or as part of a charge, in place of the melee attack.

When you attempt to perform a combat maneuver, make an attack roll and add your CMB in place of your normal attack bonus. Add any bonuses you currently have on attack rolls due to spells, feats, and other effects.


This is correct RAW and fitting thematically.

So... ;)


I read the description as not stacking, since the bull rush is in place of the melee attack. I may very well be wrong (and my initial thought when answering the original question, before I read the descriptions closely, was "of course you get the -2 AC").

I'm not sure which way is correct, but it would be either 1 or 2.

Scarab Sages

Definitely 1. Especially if you allowed them to move up to double their movement before the strike.


Was there any resolution to this?

I'm tempted to say #1, but it's odd that there is no clerification?


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Assuming the wording is as you say...

RAW: Stacks.
RAI: Overlap.

Just my 2cp.

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