Great cover art, as always.
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The cover reminds me of an old Dragon Magazine cover with a similar pose with a frost giant and a female warrior with a big sword dipped to the ground. At least I'm pretty sure I saw one like that somewhere way back when, maybe somewhere in the 120s or so. Could be misremembering.
Eva Widermann did one of Kostchtchie chasing some poor adventurer - but I guess that was a bit later than the 120s...
Eva Widermann did one of Kostchtchie chasing some poor adventurer - but I guess that was a bit later than the 120s...
The Widermann cover was Dragon 345 (July 2006).
And I really hope that there will be some useful offensive and defensive crunch along with the setting fluff.
As I mentioned before, giants really need some help (particularly after they were folded into the Humanoid type). Otherwise they simply become oversized bags of hit points with an astoundingly low touch AC.
I wonder if there will be a giant blood line for sorcerers in this book.
Giant blooded sorcerer would be cool.
This book, like ALL of our "Revisited" books, will focus on the monster, NOT on player options. No giant bloodlines or anything like that, in other words.
Yay!
Looking forward to this one.
Freelancer I may be, but I get all giddy when I get to read through a new PF book (or at least the pdf copy since I get them before any print copy I order arrives).
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That might be the best looking cover of any Paizo book I have seen yet.It's in the top three for sure.
They need to keep that artist in the stable.
Why, does he paint better in there or something?
Why, does he paint better in there or something?
Lol.
That would be cool to see different Iconics facing each type of giant.
Will there be giant blood types for sorcerers?
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Yes! And there's a sneak preview of it nine posts above yours!
No giant bloodlines or anything like that, in other words.
Emphasis mine. Did I misunderstand something, Devastation Bob?
Ruyan.
Will there be giant blood types for sorcerers?
The Revisited series doesn't generally have new class options.
What you can expect from this book is 5 pages of monster ecology and descriptions of variants of the monster, and a sixth page of a sample monster of that type. This format is generally repeated in the Revisited series for each of the ten creatures in the book. (That's 60 pages. There's also a title page and an introduction, and a page of ads.)
So if Paizo does publish sorcerer bloodlines descended from giants, it would most likely be in a different product. (Probably one found in the Player Companion product line rather than the Campaign Setting product line. The Player Companion line offers player options like that.)
This book, like ALL of our "Revisited" books, will focus on the monster, NOT on player options. No giant bloodlines or anything like that, in other words.
Hi James,
That's an interesting point and it begs the question; will Paizo be considering the re-introduction of the concept of "Level Adjustment" for players wishing to play races which are already over-powered at Character Level 1 ? If so, I assume that would open the door to a host of tasty racial options (eg. Giants etc.).
Alex (The Hex)
There are already suggestions for that in place, e. g. CR of monster ~ starting level.
/derailment of thread
Ruyan.
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This book, like ALL of our "Revisited" books, will focus on the monster, NOT on player options. No giant bloodlines or anything like that, in other words.Hi James,
That's an interesting point and it begs the question; will Paizo be considering the re-introduction of the concept of "Level Adjustment" for players wishing to play races which are already over-powered at Character Level 1 ? If so, I assume that would open the door to a host of tasty racial options (eg. Giants etc.).
Alex (The Hex)
No.
Level Adjustment just doesn't work, because any one monster is always a better choice for some classes than others.
Instead, our solution is the race-building system we put into the Advanced Race Guide. If you want to play a more powerful race, and your GM isn't okay with just letting you play a more powerful race... the race building rules will help.
Giants, and any creatures with racial Hit Dice, aren't really appropriate for player characters.
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This book, like ALL of our "Revisited" books, will focus on the monster, NOT on player options. No giant bloodlines or anything like that, in other words.Hi James,
That's an interesting point and it begs the question; will Paizo be considering the re-introduction of the concept of "Level Adjustment" for players wishing to play races which are already over-powered at Character Level 1 ? If so, I assume that would open the door to a host of tasty racial options (eg. Giants etc.).
Alex (The Hex)
If you want to play a giant I would recommend checking out Rite Publishing In the Company of Giants they make it so you can play one without up setting the balance of the game.
Sweet this should be shipping soon.
If you want to play a giant I would recommend checking out Rite Publishing In the Company of Giants they make it so you can play one without up setting the balance of the game.This book, like ALL of our "Revisited" books, will focus on the monster, NOT on player options. No giant bloodlines or anything like that, in other words.Hi James,
That's an interesting point and it begs the question; will Paizo be considering the re-introduction of the concept of "Level Adjustment" for players wishing to play races which are already over-powered at Character Level 1 ? If so, I assume that would open the door to a host of tasty racial options (eg. Giants etc.).
Alex (The Hex)
I second this, it's a great book. Heck, all of Rite Publishing's "monsters as PCs" books are awesome.
If these are pure monster books, then why is it we have yet to see new material for monsters in these in a long time. I am hoping to see new feats for giants in this, or spells or weapons or something crunchy. Something us DMs can surprise PCs with and that makes giants filled with more variety.
The early Revisited books, like Dragons Revisited and Classic Monster Revisited, actually had new feats for either the monsters within or even for monsters with similar stats (like the same creature type or subtype, special attack, etc.)
I remember you, James, in another thread about how you wish there were more monster-friendly material. WotC did this with Savage Species and a few sprinklings of monster-friendly feats, prestige classes, spells, etc. spread thin in other books.
Why isn't Paizo devoting a few more pages to this line to throw in new monster feats, prestige classes, spells, etc.? It's the perfect spot to do it. It's not like these lines aren't popular. I feel the last several Revisiteds lost a great chance to add more material for monsters.
Unless I'm imagining things, I think just about every Revisited book has included monster feats, variants, and so on in their entries.
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I remember you, James, in another thread about how you wish there were more monster-friendly material. WotC did this with Savage Species and a few sprinklings of monster-friendly feats, prestige classes, spells, etc. spread thin in other books.
Why isn't Paizo devoting a few more pages to this line to throw in new monster feats, prestige classes, spells, etc.? It's the perfect spot to do it. It's not like these lines aren't popular. I feel the last several Revisiteds lost a great chance to add more material for monsters.
The simple answer is that we're doing that with Advanced Race Guide. That book's race building rules will allow you to build a giant type race and will tell you how powerful that race is compared to a human.
The Revisited books aren't about that. They're about revisiting established monsters and injecting some fresh new energy and detail into them.
In any event, as with all our Revisited books, there will be a few new monster feats and items and the like in there. The bulk of the text, though, remains in its traditional "ecology of" style of presentation.
When I get this one, the Cylopes will be the first one I will read.
I gues I would read them in this order:
1)Cyclopes
2)Cloud
3)Storm
4)Frost
5)Fire
6)Stone
7)Rune
8)Taiga
9)Hill
10)Marsh
Based on previous ones, there a probably some ways to modify giants, like mini templates.
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What can we expect from this book? Besides ecology? Are there mechanical ways I can adjust these giants for my games? Giant-only feats, spells, a prestige class for Giants, etc. That is what I am asking. Or even templates, these lines are also perfect for new templates, as well.
It varies from giant to giant. Some have a few new feats. Some have some new items. There's no room for larger elements like prestige classes, though.
EDIT: Looks like Ravenmatntle hooked you up with the list.
These books are about flavor first and new crunch second, though, that's for sure. We've not yet done a big book of monster options, and while I do think that's a pretty good idea... it's a VERY tough sell to management since the idea of a crunch-heavy book aimed squarely at GMs is a bit nonintuitive. We do things like this now and then in the form of support articles for the AP... but the only other place something like this might fit would be in the Campaign Setting line.
It's an interesting idea though. I'll see what I can do...
Only had time to look at the pictures so far - but let me say this: Use Mike Sass again. Often! Them's some pretty oils he's got there.
Uuuuh, shiny.
Can't wait to enhance V's tomb in KM with details about the cyclops!
Ruyan.
Cyclops info? Consider this bought when it arrives.
Dang it...this sealed it, I'm now subscribing to this line too :(
:)
Great book I only have the Hill and Marsh Giants left to read.
The cover artist is Steve Prescott.
paizo uses the best artists in the business