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Rob McCreary wrote:
Thank you for clearing that up!
A question to one of the developers (or anyone involved that are able to answer) of this volume of the Adventure Path:
Will the presentation of the ancient gods of Osirian be similar to that of the Tian-Xia gods in the Tian-Xia Gazetteer (paricularly the deity "stat blocks" from that product)? Or will the article be, overall, "less comprehensive"?
Although not the end of the world...:
Or will I have to wait until the volume's release at the end of the month to re-post this same query, and then decide whether or not I'd want to get it after getting the answer?
Please and thank you.
Sorry if this has been asked and answered already but will this book contain generic/real world deities for homebrew game use? Campaign Setting books generally don't have things that are friendly for out of Golarion lore but the description "Details on nearly 300 deities from across the Inner Sea region and beyond." sounds promising.
I believe the book focuses on in-setting deities, i.e. the BIG 20, with a little information on some others. But all 300+ (gods - including racial - & demigods/demon lords+nascent ones/empyreal lords/archdevils+infernal dukes/horsemen+deacons/qlippoth 'almost-lords'/elemental lords/eldest/etc.) that have some link in the present to the Inner Sea region, only, should be appearing on some multi-page mega-table, or so I think I've heard...
Outer gods possibly also included in the table. (Don't know about great old ones, 'though...)
So no Azlanti gods. Nor Thassilonian. Nor ancient Osiriani. Nor those from Tian-Xia, Casmaron, Vudra, Arcadia, Sarusan or Southern Garund. Unless they're worshipped in the current age in the Inner Sea region.
There are probably no Psychopomp Ushers (according to J.J.) listed. Nor asura ranas & rakshasa immortals (Vudra/Casmaron), kami lords & oni daimyo (Tian-Xia), or kyton demagogues (for similar reasons that there might not be any ushers...? <shrug>). Probably. But if there are, yay!
So, unless said god is currently worshipped in the Inner Sea, real-world or 'generic' (What's that?) gods are unlikely to be featured in the book.
But you never know...
::EDIT:: & Ninja'ed by the one of the principal authors himself! ;p
I was wondering...
Since Inner Sea Gods will apparently be including the various demon+devil+daemon+empyreal+Eldest+elemental demigods on the "master list/table" of deities active in the Inner Sea region, would the demigod equivalents of the qlippoth & psychopomps be included, too?
I suppose the demigods of the rakshasa & asuras would be more relevant to Casmaron, & those of the oni to Tian Xia, so they are probably unlikely to be included, but...
I'm also aware that that'd be including never-before-mentioned deities, but since you've mentioned that that'd be the case for the racial deities of the orcs, I felt I should just ask.
Also, it didn't reaaally have much on saving Christmas (wow! what a departure from the norm!). It did have a (failed) attempt at saving Easter (that's new - I think). But mostly it was more about saving the "spirits" of childhood (Tooth Fairy, Sandman + Easter Bunny & Santa), I feel. Otherwise, I agree with your sentiments above. ;D
Also, Jack Frost is just shway COOL!
Come on! It's just too obvious a pun not to make. Now, we can move on.
I regret nothing! ;p
Heh. That's exactly what I've done with my group's highly-modified setting... Since the obyrith (D&D) have been equated with the qlippoth, the setting ended up with the former-obyrith(=qlippoth)-now-demon-lord Pale Night, the Mother of Demons, as an aspect of 'dear momma Shubby' (in our setting). Also, the term 'obyrith' has been recycled as her actual demon lord name. ('Pale Night' is, in my opinion, more of an epithet, not a name, so...)
It does also lead to complicated relationships between her and the other qlippoth and demon lords. After all: "Mother of Demons"... :D
So you're not alone. ^^
[EDIT for clarity.]
Also Contemplatives, Elder Things, Flying Polyps (although I don't think they've been mentioned - or alluded to, per se - in the Golarion setting), & the Old Great Old Ones Cthulhu & Hastur (Bokrug is from the Dimension of Dreams, so doesn't count).
All of the above are from Bestiary 4. There are others, but they've been mentioned already.
What if the individual to whom the character sold the pit fiend's true name IS the pit fiend in question in disguise...?
Just adding another layer to all the shenanigans that could result from this situation. ;D
I mean, wouldn't the pit fiend want to reclaim its true name first & then deal with those involved with the sale of it?
The character is going to have to be VERY careful to whom s/he sells that name - at least, if I was the GM... <hehe>
Well... I would pronounce it with the [ai] sound corresponding to that found in the word "rain" or "pain" or "drain" (etc.). So you'd get:
[jay]+[dz] Or [jade]+[z]
Of course, you could pronounce it with the [ai] sound corresponding to that found in the word "aisle" (sounds like "I'll"), but that doesn't sound too aesthetically pleasing to me... <shrug>
In the end, it'd be your preference as we haven't been given a pronunciation guide for all the weird and wonderful names that Paizo has published (at least, not since the original campaign setting hardcover).
The irony of the bolded part is just... staggering...
Not meaning any meanness in what was just posted - truly. But your posts, at times... Can be wildly entertaining - I guess...
Carry on! (^_')=b
...And to stay on topic:
My top 5 things I'm kinda tired of seeing in a bestiary are -
Just my ¥1.
Yeah, yeah. I'm sure my own listing above could be seen as ironic, too. But they are getting a lil' tiring - there's only so much terraine to be used for different types of giants and drakes; demons are by FAR the most represented outsider race; and those saurian/ophidian monsters and undead really are starting to look all the same...
The Bestiaries are still, overall, awesome!
Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:
It should be asked what goblins are doing reading forum posts...
Since you've put a lot into developing devils & Hell in Pathfinder (such that you're probably the "devil-guy at Paizo" - in as much as James is the "demon-guy at Paizo"), I was wondering whether or not you've seen these?:
Although the consorts referred to above (DeviantArt page) apply to the D&D Lords of Hell, the illustrations just might be of interest to you...
So, will we be learning more on any consorts to the Pathfinder Archdevils? Do they all even have consorts? I'm pretty sure there was mention of Dispater having one (of a few?)...
Freehold DM wrote:
Currently, in South Africa. But previously I had lived for quite some time in Japan. And from what my friends there say, there's quite a bit of hype and anticipation for the movie's release (next week, last I was told...).
Iblydos is an island "nation" to the south of Casmaron (or there abouts), last time I heard.
Also (at MarkusTay), Ninshabur supposedly doesn't exist anymore -- at least not since the Tarrasque woke up all grumpy at all the noise being made 'round Daddy RovaG's digs...
May I request that the Inner Sea deities covered in this book get a "stat block" (for lack of a better term) like that presented for the deities of Tian Xia?
Please & thank you.
The Rot Grub wrote:
I heartily concur with what's been said here. I really do think that this product is a GREAT idea, and sorely wish I had for when my friends & I had to learn the rules of the game...
And maybe if I did have it then, I wouldn't be so 'gunshy' of rule-heavy games as I am today... For me, rule minutae really sucks out all the fun of game, especially when their presentation is not particularly "user-friendly". Just my two cents.<shrug>
I'm really excited about the upcoming AP, "Wrath of the Righteous".
In Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Mythic Monsters Revisited, one of the statted-up unique creatures is the corrupted phoenix Pyralisia (p.50-51). Based on her backstory and ties to the Worldwound & Mendevian Crusades, is there a possibility that she (& her mate Garidor) might appear (or even be mentioned) in the WotR AP?
Just wondering... What, with the theme of redemption going for the AP (or, at least, one of them), she seems like a good fit for it...
Dotting (this material's awesome!), and question(s)!
In Book of the Damned #1, Princes of Darkness, the (presumably) infernal duke Orobas does not appear in the listing on the back cover, yet he has his sigil illustrated (p.42), and is mentioned by title (I think - could be wrong about that...).
Is Orobas meant to have been on the list, or is he just one of many that did not make it?
And if it was an accidental and not intentional omission, what would be the details of Orobas (portfolio, domains, weapon)?
Please and thank you.
IIRC, axial tilt affects the intensity of the seasons (i.e. how pronounced/different they are & whether or not you actually have seasons at all), while orbital distance affects the length of the seasons. Of course, if your seasons are long enough, they are going to be VERY different anyways. And if your orbital eccentricity is extreme enough, you're going to have seasons even if there is very little to no axial tilt, as the intensity of sunlight received will cause seasons -- although the seasons will be the same worldwide instead of differing by hemisphere, which is what axial tilt does. (But if axial tilt is involved as well, the intensity of the worldwide season will differ across hemispheres, too.) So...
Of course, I may have got a few details wrong. But this IS sci-fantasy physics, so...
Celestial Healer wrote:
Well... Technically, it is not sexual reproduction, as you need a transference of gametes (whatever the gene-carrying modus might be: ova, spermatozoa (Think I dodged it?), spores, pollen, virus, etc.) between two (or more...) individuals capable of inter-breeding for that to be so.(And, yes, I'm aware that this might not hold in a fantasy setting.)
As for asexual reproduction, that's effectively cloning, right?
So I guess the answer would be: It all depends on the very moment at which one is and is meant to be... or something...
TLDR - If it does it for you, awesome!
James Jacobs wrote:
... Actually, I was referring to the opening art I'd mentioned in the Inner Sea World Guide, but it's nice to know we have a cool new take on it (with Kyra!) appearing as the cover for this potentially-full-of-awesome new book. :)
Add me in for one (or more)!
And hopefully it will not be just an atlas of physical maps, but also include thematical maps, e.g. ocean currents, more detailed maps of ancient cultures, language distribution map(s), ethnic distribution/ migration map(s), population density map(s), landmass maps from before before Earthfall, constellation map(s), etc. Kinda like how many of Ms Fonstad's atlases did, of which the Dragonlance Atlas is a very good example.
Can dream, ne...
Since Rovagug has been brought up, I submit this for your consideration: Rovagug is an outer God. That's why the locals all had to join together to seal him away. It's also why the outer gods don't care, sure he's a threat to each of them, but not more than any other outer god.
Interesting, although it has been hinted very strongly (in canon) that
is an ascended/deity-level qlippoth (see Pathfinder AP #64), just as Sarenrae/Asmodeus/Lamashtu is an ascended/deity-level angel/devil/demon (respectively).
Then again, the line between cthulhuesque entities and the qlippoth in the Pathfinder Setting is at times a little blurry. Particularly if one were to take away that the former is from the Material plane and the latter is from the Abyss...
I've always been interested in post-apocalyptic, pseudo-scifi settings! And as long as it's not goofy or depressing in its grim-dark qualities (neither of which seem to be the case - based on the tidbits posted here & there), I'll most certainly get a copy.
Just showing interest/ support! I fully understand time constraints & more pressing commitments, so no pressure. (^_')=b
And thanks for sharing with the community.
Umm... Just to get things straight: Satyrs are NEUTRAL (CN, to be precise) - in both D&D and Pathfinder. Fauns are the good counterparts to Satyrs.
I agree with most of these (particularly the bolded monsters), while I'm indifferent to the others. I also think that Banshee, Triton and Selkie - even merfolk and siren! - should be added to your list. (^_')=b
Ah, but you see, we have mythic levels complicating what the level range might be. Has the Mythic Adventures book been sent to the printer yet? If not, there could still be some final revisions to the rule content, which could influence the final level range of the first volume of the adventure path.
Just a thought...
I approve of the list of demons to be 'revisited'. Not that I am against any of the other/newer types published by Paizo. It's just that one would need demons that've been around for quite a while in order to 'revisit' them and make them 'fresh'. That the demons chosen all come from the first Bestiary is a plus! That six of the classical seven deadly sins are represented is great, too! (The sin of sloth, which results in multiple dretches, isn't represented, but I'd rather that higher level demons be revisited than near-mindless, low-level ones.)
All in all, it looks like this new addition to the '...Revisited' line has a solid foundation.
On the other hand, another soon to be released '...Revisited' book's choice seems a little ... unintuitive. (And I'm not saying that it's bad - it hasn't been released yet.) Good thing I like fey, though.
Can't wait! ^^
Jeff Erwin wrote:
I heartily concur! And your snippets of 'homebrew' changes/ interpretations to the setting were very thought-provoking.
Also, the title of the thread just says "Typhon". There's no context of "Typhon, the Archdevil" to it. So bringing up the mythological reference of the name is a perfectly valid response by those who were not aware that you wanted to discuss the "Golarion archdevil named Typhon" ONLY.
Well Archdevils in Golarion are often named after mythological figures(Dispater, Moloch).
Well, so are many of the demon princes (Abraxas, Baphomet, Dagon, Kostchtchie, Orcus, Pazuzu, Shax, Socothbenoth, Flauros, Haagenti, and Lamashtu herself! Also, Areshkagal, Mestama and Nurgal "spelling corruptions" of actual mythological figures, too.) and half of the daemon horsemen (Apollyon & Charon; you could argue that Szuriel is too, although a corruption of the original inspirations for the name & character...). And the ruler of the divs is Ahriman, so...
Your argument's a little moot.
Also, there's no reason that the various fiend-overlords can't/don't use pseudonyms or the names of rivals (whether active and known in Golarion or not) to further their own schemes.
Tabris was tasked with documenting everything not just the book of the damned but he also wrote the counterpart the book of righteousness
Which ties in rather nicely, what with him (Tabris) being the Angel of Free Will/Choice and everything (at least, according to real-world sources*). How else is he supposed to represent free will if he doesn't know (understand?) all sides of the alignment choice? Of course, real-world sources don't exactly state whether or not he's a tarnished/fallen angel...
And no, I wasn't referring to Neon Genesis Evangelion as one of the references, eventhough it's quite important for the "plot" towards the end... (PWP!?)
Another setting you could have a look at (and one that perhaps isn't as "harsh" as Sundered Skies - as mentioned in the above post) is Swashbucklers of the Seven Skies.
It uses the Prose Descriptive Qualities (PQD) system by Atomic Sock Monkey Press, and it is based on a lot of the same sources (books, movies, etc.) as Pathfinder.
Both settings are "sky-adventure" settings, so even if they are not quite what you're looking for, they can offer a lot of ideas that can be adapted to a homebrew 'sky-setting'.
Hope that helps.
Typhon's a DEVIL?! Weird... Would've thought he'd be a demon lord or some such, judging by his depictions, "portfolio" (storms, monsters, destruction, winds, volcanoes, etc.), & "personality"/mannerisms (he's seems to be shown as being rather chaotic, thus requiring "the gods to defeat him & bring order back to the world" myth...) in classical/ traditional sources.
Oh well. Golarion's a different world. (Although, with the whole "Golarion & Earth are both in the same universe" conceit, it does make things a little... unintuitive.)
<shrug> Whatever. Just my 2 cents.