Spotted a possible bot in the reviews


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There's a user called "Rip Tanner" that has no profile, or a completely empty one, but has spammed around 50 "reviews" recently, almost all 2 stars and always without any text in them.
That has got to be a bot, right? If that's the case, it should be eliminated, I think.


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I know what tipped you off to them. :)

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I mean, do bots also semi regularly favorite posts? Like that doesn't disqualify them from being a bot, but it could be just user who lurks a lot.


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After they pinged my radar by liking those pretty obviously bot posts, I looked over their history and I'm honestly not certain.


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I’m pretty sure Rip Tanner favorited some of my more terse, salty posts…I always assumed they were some kind of chaos mechanic-aligned person up for some ripe forum dissent. I think they are notabot.


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Me too. I think I recognise the name.
Their reviews just seem star-based, with no explanation given for the rating.
Not terribly useful, imo. But reviewing a product is pretty definitionally a subjective activity.


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Rip Tanner is not a bot.

I assume they've been burned too many times by Paizo's tendency to eat reviews after you try posting them. I know that's why I don't provide lengthy reviews.

Or maybe they just don't like to write out a bunch of stuff.

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Rip Tanner, formerly Desna’s Avatar, formerly Stunt Monkeys (note the extra s), formerly a half dozen other aliases has been banned multiple times from the Paizo forums for repugnant views and attempts to impersonate other posters. They have the telltale sign of spam-liking every single salty or horrible post on the site, unnervingly right after it was posted usually, which definitely feels like bot behavior.

Back when they actually wrote reviews they were blatant in their misogyny, queer phobia, and racism, and would also blatantly lie about wording and events in the books in order to justify their reviews (a common refrain from their reviews was “minus 1 star for Paizo’s usual brand of feminism”).


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Ah. I recognise the name for the wrong reasons. I can never keep track of those multiple spawning aliases.
Thanks, Rysky.

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They also seem very salty about 2E, as they give all 2E books 1-2 stars and the 1E books they've reviewed 4 or 5


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Rysky wrote:

Rip Tanner, formerly Desna’s Avatar, formerly Stunt Monkeys (note the extra s), formerly a half dozen other aliases has been banned multiple times from the Paizo forums for repugnant views and attempts to impersonate other posters. They have the telltale sign of spam-liking every single salty or horrible post on the site, unnervingly right after it was posted usually, which definitely feels like bot behavior.

Back when they actually wrote reviews they were blatant in their misogyny, queer phobia, and racism, and would also blatantly lie about wording and events in the books in order to justify their reviews (a common refrain from their reviews was “minus 1 star for Paizo’s usual brand of feminism”).

Good God.

Now the posts I made that they favorited feel tainted.

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I recognized the MO and double-checked the content of my posts they favorited, which is my usual MO in such cases.

Had not realized they were this specific culprit though.

Thanks, Rysky.


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Yeah, they also have a habit of favoriting every post that is remotely critical of Paizo and PF2 in particular UNLESS those are posts that criticising Paizo over doxxing/Alvarez/Tonya/HR failures, in which case they favourite anybody *supporting* Paizo on these topics, because probably in their mind there's a straight line between trans black feminism and Paizo publishing PF2.

Back when Paizo had serious people moderating the forums, their sock puppets would go down quickly, but now that there's been a complete turnover of people the institutional memory got lost and here we are.


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Totally Not Gorbacz wrote:

Yeah, they also have a habit of favoriting every post that is remotely critical of Paizo and PF2 in particular UNLESS those are posts that criticising Paizo over doxxing/Alvarez/Tonya/HR failures, in which case they favourite anybody *supporting* Paizo, because probably in their mind there's a straight line between trans black feminism and Paizo publishing PF2.

Back when Paizo had serious people moderating the forums, their sock puppets would go down quickly, but now that there's been a complete turnover of people the institutional memory got lost and here we are.

I feel like I haven't seen a mod in weeks. Stuff I flagged forever ago has gone nowhere.


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The 'Careers' page has Customer Service Representative back at the top.

Seems like they don't even make it out of training camp these days.


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Totally Not Gorbacz wrote:
Yeah, they also have a habit of favoriting every post that is remotely critical of Paizo and PF2 in particular UNLESS those are posts that criticising Paizo over doxxing/Alvarez/Tonya/HR failures, in which case they favourite anybody *supporting* Paizo on these topics, because probably in their mind there's a straight line between trans black feminism and Paizo publishing PF2.

A pattern he's maintained in this very thread.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Rysky wrote:

Rip Tanner, formerly Desna’s Avatar, formerly Stunt Monkeys (note the extra s), formerly a half dozen other aliases has been banned multiple times from the Paizo forums for repugnant views and attempts to impersonate other posters. They have the telltale sign of spam-liking every single salty or horrible post on the site, unnervingly right after it was posted usually, which definitely feels like bot behavior.

Back when they actually wrote reviews they were blatant in their misogyny, queer phobia, and racism, and would also blatantly lie about wording and events in the books in order to justify their reviews (a common refrain from their reviews was “minus 1 star for Paizo’s usual brand of feminism”).

Good God.

Now the posts I made that they favorited feel tainted.

Huh. I feel salty and horrible. ;p


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I don't think he's a bot but probably is reminded via forum commentary to go back and give something a negative review from years prior. There's no rhyme or reason to the voting patterns. If it was all 2's and 5's I'd be inclined to agree but some of them get 1's, some get 2's, some get 4's, some get 5's? The only rating he's allergic to is 3 it seems like.

But I also don't like people who fav and never comment or participate themselves. I also dislike no-commentary review stars unless they're for accessories like card decks/flipmats*.

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I assume they've been burned too many times by Paizo's tendency to eat reviews after you try posting them. I know that's why I don't provide lengthy reviews.

I've taken to ctrl+a/ctrl+c'ing my review just before I submit my initial draft these days. If it takes you longer than 10 minutes to formulate it, it will eat it regardless of length.

* And bestiaries. Here is my review: It is a bestiary. Buy it or look up the stats on the SRD.


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Rysky wrote:

Rip Tanner, formerly Desna’s Avatar, formerly Stunt Monkeys (note the extra s), formerly a half dozen other aliases has been banned multiple times from the Paizo forums for repugnant views and attempts to impersonate other posters. They have the telltale sign of spam-liking every single salty or horrible post on the site, unnervingly right after it was posted usually, which definitely feels like bot behavior.

Back when they actually wrote reviews they were blatant in their misogyny, queer phobia, and racism, and would also blatantly lie about wording and events in the books in order to justify their reviews (a common refrain from their reviews was “minus 1 star for Paizo’s usual brand of feminism”).

Thank you for your information!

Since they're a human being (allegedly ;) ), at least I know I can safely ignore everything that comes from them. Still... sad.


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Oh is that where StuntMonkeys went! And where Rip came from! I'd been wondering!

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Some recent posts have been favorited by Tan Ripper.

Surely it's someone else.

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Well seems to be one called Tan Ripper and one called Rip Tanner and they seem to have the same Mo (No posts some favorites and a bunch of textless reviews ranging from 1 to 3 stars Although in Rip Tanners case are admitadly a few 4 and 5 stars as well.)


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Is there any way to confirm the ban evasion? Surely that's a banable offense. It might not truly put an end to him but there's no reason to make it easy.


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Send an email to
community@paizo.com

With links to both the post and the account profile page.
Explain why you think it's a ban evasion.

The team that banned any previous accounts will take it from there.


I am aware of the avenues to report bad actors. I was speaking more to if there was evidence to lend weight to a potential report.


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keftiu wrote:
Totally Not Gorbacz wrote:

Yeah, they also have a habit of favoriting every post that is remotely critical of Paizo and PF2 in particular UNLESS those are posts that criticising Paizo over doxxing/Alvarez/Tonya/HR failures, in which case they favourite anybody *supporting* Paizo, because probably in their mind there's a straight line between trans black feminism and Paizo publishing PF2.

Back when Paizo had serious people moderating the forums, their sock puppets would go down quickly, but now that there's been a complete turnover of people the institutional memory got lost and here we are.

I feel like I haven't seen a mod in weeks. Stuff I flagged forever ago has gone nowhere.

I saw a spam post that I reported earlier this week disappear immediately after I reported it but before I clicked on the author's name to see if he had any other spam posts that required reporting, so somebody is doing some moderation work on these boards.

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No, I'm pretty sure there is something automated for spam flags when they reach a certain number.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Rysky wrote:

Rip Tanner, formerly Desna’s Avatar, formerly Stunt Monkeys (note the extra s), formerly a half dozen other aliases has been banned multiple times from the Paizo forums for repugnant views and attempts to impersonate other posters. They have the telltale sign of spam-liking every single salty or horrible post on the site, unnervingly right after it was posted usually, which definitely feels like bot behavior.

Back when they actually wrote reviews they were blatant in their misogyny, queer phobia, and racism, and would also blatantly lie about wording and events in the books in order to justify their reviews (a common refrain from their reviews was “minus 1 star for Paizo’s usual brand of feminism”).

Good God.

Now the posts I made that they favorited feel tainted.

There is a logical fallacy there. This poster's opinions obviously should be considered worthless (having no information value), not 100% guaranteed to be wrong. Otherwise, I could get anyone following this logic to commit suicide by pointing out that some repugnant person is in favor of breathing, eating, drinking, and other activities that keep a person alive.

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David knott 242 wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Rysky wrote:

Rip Tanner, formerly Desna’s Avatar, formerly Stunt Monkeys (note the extra s), formerly a half dozen other aliases has been banned multiple times from the Paizo forums for repugnant views and attempts to impersonate other posters. They have the telltale sign of spam-liking every single salty or horrible post on the site, unnervingly right after it was posted usually, which definitely feels like bot behavior.

Back when they actually wrote reviews they were blatant in their misogyny, queer phobia, and racism, and would also blatantly lie about wording and events in the books in order to justify their reviews (a common refrain from their reviews was “minus 1 star for Paizo’s usual brand of feminism”).

Good God.

Now the posts I made that they favorited feel tainted.

There is a logical fallacy there. This poster's opinions obviously should be considered worthless (having no information value), not 100% guaranteed to be wrong. Otherwise, I could get anyone following this logic to commit suicide by pointing out that some repugnant person is in favor of breathing, eating, drinking, and other activities that keep a person alive.

It is more akin to a poison or radiation detector. When you see them favoriting heavily poisoned/radioactive stuff, you start checking which part of the stuff you wrote felt poisonous/radioactive enough that it triggered the reaction.


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The Raven Black wrote:
It is more akin to a poison or radiation detector. When you see them favoriting heavily poisoned/radioactive stuff, you start checking which part of the stuff you wrote felt poisonous/radioactive enough that it triggered the reaction.

I wrote a lot of posts recently the dude has favorited and I am pretty sure the vast majority of them were neutral to positive about things, especially since I've come around to a positive view of PF2E since the announcement of the Remaster. The guy just has some people he likes to favorite, although I have no idea why I am among them.

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magnuskn wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
It is more akin to a poison or radiation detector. When you see them favoriting heavily poisoned/radioactive stuff, you start checking which part of the stuff you wrote felt poisonous/radioactive enough that it triggered the reaction.
I wrote a lot of posts recently the dude has favorited and I am pretty sure the vast majority of them were neutral to positive about things, especially since I've come around to a positive view of PF2E since the announcement of the Remaster. The guy just has some people he likes to favorite, although I have no idea why I am among them.

It can happen too. That's true.

Some posts of mine the previous identity favored even though I saw no belligerence there.

Many others they clearly favored because they could be taken as criticism of Paizo, of PF2, and sometimes just AFAICT because they were somewhat belligerent.

Feels like they enjoy stirring the storm, even if they seem to also have some preferred bias.


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By the by, there's now a Tan Ripper who's also one and two starring every Pathfinder 2e product.

I don't want to be cranky, but please Paizo, can this be dealt with? Or can someone explain an easy way to leave a review on a product? This is actually making it very hard to evaluate whether any Pathfinder 2e book is worth it, because a heckler's veto is being applied to the products and being one and two starred in such a blatantly false way. There's no way this isn't spam, considering they are all blank reviews and it's every 2e product.

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I'd like to see a minimum character count on reviews, preventing star only reviews.


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Not only a minimum character count, but the ancient arts of 'sentences', 'paragraphs', reasonably proper 'punctuation' and 'spelling' would not be too far afield as a reasonable ask.

Just placing a minimum character count will get

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Style reviews that do not help the buyer.


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Now I want a feat called “Heckler’s Veto”. Only for use in Society play.


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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


Not only a minimum character count, but the ancient arts of 'sentences', 'paragraphs', reasonably proper 'punctuation' and 'spelling' would not be too far afield as a reasonable ask.

Just placing a minimum character count will get

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Style reviews that do not help the buyer.

The trick is coming up with something that is easy to program into a system that is meant to detect such things but hard for a human being to deliberately subvert without adversely affecting people attempting to post good faith reviews. I suspect that would be fairly difficult.


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If anybody finds such a system, please also tell Metacritic and Steam, where malicious review bombing is way too common.

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David knott 242 wrote:
Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


Not only a minimum character count, but the ancient arts of 'sentences', 'paragraphs', reasonably proper 'punctuation' and 'spelling' would not be too far afield as a reasonable ask.

Just placing a minimum character count will get

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Style reviews that do not help the buyer.

The trick is coming up with something that is easy to program into a system that is meant to detect such things but hard for a human being to deliberately subvert without adversely affecting people attempting to post good faith reviews. I suspect that would be fairly difficult.

Yes.

I think the easiest way would be to have a flagging system for reviews.

And even that is not 100% foolproof since you can modify your review at anytime : there is not a 1-hour and then frozen system like the posts have.


magnuskn wrote:
If anybody finds such a system, please also tell Metacritic and Steam, where malicious review bombing is way too common.

I think unfortunately that the issue of troll reviews are very amplified because there are so few reviews, if it was much easier to review stuff then a single troll would be a drop in the ocean I reckon. I've tried to review stuff in the past but you really lose the motivation writing a long review and then the site just deletes it and I lose all progress.

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Onkonk wrote:
magnuskn wrote:
If anybody finds such a system, please also tell Metacritic and Steam, where malicious review bombing is way too common.
I think unfortunately that the issue of troll reviews are very amplified because there are so few reviews, if it was much easier to review stuff then a single troll would be a drop in the ocean I reckon. I've tried to review stuff in the past but you really lose the motivation writing a long review and then the site just deletes it and I lose all progress.

I usually write my reviews on a document first till I'm satisfied with them.

Then I copy/paste it on the site.

TBT I do the same when writing a long post.

And when I unintendedly write a long post, I always select all and copy it just in case the site decides to eat it.

Here's hoping the site's overhaul will bring us improvement on this issue.


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Yeah, hate when the site just eats your post with a happy om-nom-nom. I'm also used by now to press CTRL-C on a post before posting, but sometimes one slips up, which then is doubly frustrating.

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By the by, there's now a Tan Ripper who's also one and two starring every Pathfinder 2e product.

I don't want to be cranky, but please Paizo, can this be dealt with? Or can someone explain an easy way to leave a review on a product? This is actually making it very hard to evaluate whether any Pathfinder 2e book is worth it, because a heckler's veto is being applied to the products and being one and two starred in such a blatantly false way. There's no way this isn't spam, considering they are all blank reviews and it's every 2e product.

Reviews are something else that will change when the new e-commerce store is built. Many sites only allow confirmed purchasers to leave reviews to avoid issues like this, but I don't have specifics on this particular feature 100% ironed out yet to tell you exactly how it will work in the near future. Stay tuned.

-Jim


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I hope my 600+ reviews aren’t lost in the transition—my self-esteem is at stake :)

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