I have a few books with various NPC's in them but I would like a way of tieing them into the PRPG campaign setting and this could be that answer. Thank you again Paizo. And I still wish I had more money coming in so I could buy more. Dagnabit!!!!!!
I'm rather happy to see a product like this coming out. I've been running Star Wars Saga for about 6 months now, and I find the ready to use stats for the various goons/jedi-sith/monsters to be rather handy for my prep. It'll be nice to have some ready to plug-in NPC's to throw in a game for encounters now, especially having them all in one source.
You know, back when WOTC started to put monsters with class levels in the Monster Manuals, I didn't like it, but not because I didn't want monsters with class levels, but because I wanted a Monster Manual to introduce new monsters.
I actually did want a book that gave me characters with the stats already done. In fact, I really liked some of the "generic" NPCs in Cityscape, for example, in case the players do go off the rails and you need to have some stats handy, or just don't want to build someone from scratch.
On top of all of that, I really did want a book back in the 3.5 days of Realms NPCs that were flavored for their particular factions and useful as utility characters, such as Zhent patrols or Eldreth Veluuthra assassins.
This product sounds like it has a lot of potential. I'm really hoping for good things from this.
Oh yes. This and Gamemastery guide in play, nothing can go wrong.
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I'm rather happy to see a product like this coming out. I've been running Star Wars Saga for about 6 months now, and I find the ready to use stats for the various goons/jedi-sith/monsters to be rather handy for my prep. It'll be nice to have some ready to plug-in NPC's to throw in a game for encounters now, especially having them all in one source.
My feelings exactly. I have high hopes for this one, and I'm sure these plug-in NPCs will also prove to be handy when GMs design their own villages and towns.
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I really like that the Paizo staffers' characters will be in this! This product reminds of the old 1E (AD&D) Rogue's Gallery, which I really loved!
Paizo has this amazing way of producing products that feel 100% contemporary and 'state of the art', so to speak while at the same time having this great old school vibe.
I love you guys!!!!
... was that a little too much? :)
There goes my first potential Pathfinder product...already planned by Paizo.
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I’ve wanted to pitch and write an NPC product like this for a while and every time it would come up, someone would tell me how these kinds of books aren’t popular and folks don’t want another books of NPCs. Damn you peers! I’m glad you help me prove my point that there are heaps of gamers that would find a book like this very helpful for fleshing out their games. I’m looking forward to this one!
Ezren is straight-up strangling a dude on that cover. Nice to see a wizard pushing sixty who isn't afraid to lay the smack down.
He's doing his best Hulk Hogan impression. :D
Ezren is straight-up strangling a dude on that cover. Nice to see a wizard pushing sixty who isn't afraid to lay the smack down.He's doing his best Hulk Hogan impression. :D
Hahaha :D
Ezren Knows Best !
What type of NPCs will hope in this manual? will we see the Whispering Tyrant, the Harlot Queen, Nex, Geb or some NPCs of that calibre?
Premade stats and personalities? Awesome! Anything that makes 3.5 DMing easier is a blessing... A BLESSING I TELL YOU. Particularly at higher levels but I won't have to worry about that for awhile.
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What type of NPCs will hope in this manual? will we see the Whispering Tyrant, the Harlot Queen, Nex, Geb or some NPCs of that calibre?
Probably not, no. We are going more for NPCs usable in a wide variety of campaigns. Almost all of the characters you mention are godlike in power, and would probably be better handled in a specific book about them or a high-level campaigning sort of book.
Probably not, no. We are going more for NPCs usable in a wide variety of campaigns. Almost all of the characters you mention are godlike in power, and would probably be better handled in a specific book about them or a high-level campaigning sort of book.
Good, I'm hoping for more "Hellknight Captain" and less "Paralictor So-and-so."
As far as the big guns mentioned above, I'd rather only see them, if at all, as "short form" stats, i.e. level range, class, alignment, unless they appear in an actual adventure as someone the PCs are suppose to take a whack at.
I may be weird in this regard, but I actually prefer statting up the longer statblocks for a BBEG or challenging encounter, so lots of more normal peoples stats will save me alot of time.
Some will complain that they could have done them themselves, but I'm glad that with this book I wont have to as often, and can have more fun making interesting combats, and bosses!
Any way to predict when we will see the card deck for these NPC's?
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If Paizo is going to do an NPC for each nation in the core setting (which is what the ad blurb says), I know quite a few people interested in the Zephyr Guard, who don't have too much to go on in the LoF AP so far (and there isn't too much in "Dark Markets" either). Paizo, I know you can do it! They could be so cool!
I am really happy to see this book. Its really cool to see something I(among others) pestered for a while back will actually happen. :)
Please continue letting us know what you'd like to see in this book, I haven't finished the outline yet so your feedback is helpful in determining what'll actually go in the book. :)
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I'll echo Knights words on this, i.e. low to mid-level NPCs that could be dropped pretty much everywhere. For example, innkeepers, merchants, assassins, bandit lords, twisted nobles, mercenary captains, necromancers, clerics, wizards, slavers, pirates, druids, venture captains, and so on (mostly adversaries, but also potential allies and employers and yet just some "flavorful" characters that add more depth to the setting, e.g. armorers, instrument makers, sages/seers/oracles, jewelers or philterers/apothecarists).
What I'd also like to see in this book is various potential plot hooks/motivations/interests related to each NPC (different ways to link/involve them in the story and to the PCs), and possibly even some ready-made encounters (a la MM IV/V). Then I'd want maps of "typical" merchant shops, warehouses, noble mansions, wizard towers, taverns, coaching/roadside/urban inns, (evil) shrines/churches, ruined strongholds/castles, thieves' guilds, farmhouses, hamlets, thorps, villages -- maybe even several versions for each, i.e. one page that has maps for three noble manors, another with four merchant shops, another with three simple village maps, etcetera. I'd also like specifically to have "local legends", i.e. NPCs and monsters that are legendary and feared for some reason in different regions (whose names are used to scare children into obedience, or whispered in fearful tones, like the Sandpoint Devil). Maybe there could even be "ready-to-run" quick adventure ideas, referring to spefic NPCs and maps in the book (e.g. "The PCs are approached by merchant Gheltus (p. 31) to explore the abandoned shrine (p. 122) of Rovagug near the village of Thorndell (use village map 3 on page 144). He wants them to find the legendary sword of the cursed hero Loranthar (see "Local Legends", p. 163). His soul has become an Allip, and there are three Shadows and one Wight lurking in the shrine. The sword..."). Or, this could be another book ('Encounter/Adventure Guide'?) altogether. :)
All in all, I see this book containing useful NPCs from many walks of life to use them in encounters or add some local color, and plot hooks and ideas plus maps related to them. For example, if the PCs go on a tangent, or I'm having a writer's block, I could just grab the book and run, for example, an encounter/sidetrek with a small thieves' guild or a group of bandits hiding in a farmhouse or abandoned wizard tower near a village, with maybe even the final encounter taking place in their employer's (a corrupted nobleman) mansion -- without having to reference stat blocks and maps from several accessories. Or, if the book has adventure outlines I gave an example of above, use one of them. Or, I could drag'n'drop or a well-written, solid NPC into the party if somebody misses a session.
How about a section on modifying a NPC class to get a specific feel, such as changing the adept into an arcane hedge wizard for primative cultures.
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I would like to see sample Pathfinder Venture Captains from different areas and with different approaches to their jobs and to managing teams of adventurers. For example, detailing two competing Venture Captains from Absalom and how they could be used as either patrons for the PCs or as a source of competition.
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How about a section on modifying a NPC class to get a specific feel, such as changing the adept into an arcane hedge wizard for primative cultures.
That was something I was thinking about; perhaps having a handful of "alternate versions" based on different lands and cultures, so that underneath the basic "Mercenary Captain" entry you'd have:
Northlands: Mercenaries in Varisia, Irrisen, and the lands of the Mammoth Lords and Linnorm Kings typically replace standard arms with the following: +1 chain mail and +1 heavy shield (AC 20, FF 18, T 12) and use a +1 battle axe (atk +8, DMG 1d8+6) and replace Mounted Combat with Endurance.
Southlands: In Garundi nations south of the Inner Sea, replace the above weapons and feats, blah blah blah.
You could do this for either general regions (as above), for a selected handful of a couple of countries per entry just as examples, or whatever other sample alts you wanted.
Anyway, seems like an easy way to multiply the utility of the book, because each base stat block has a couple of one-paragraph mods.
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Please continue letting us know what you'd like to see in this book, I haven't finished the outline yet so your feedback is helpful in determining what'll actually go in the book. :)
I would like to see a fair mix of allies and enemies. If every nation's entry is a town guard, I won't use that very often. But if it's a combination of pirates, sczarni thugs, gladiators, city watchmen, troll augers, etc, I can make that work.
I would present a dissenting opinion to those above who have said they'd rather have general, unnamed NPCs over named ones. I prefer a name and a backstory. These act as inspiration and plot seeds and would help tremendously in the many parts of the world we have yet to explore beyond the Campaign Setting writeup. If the included NPCs are each a specific example of a generic group, then the statblock can be used alone for the general, while the actual Golarion bits can be highlighted for those of us who want to see the world populated beyond just the adventure paths and modules. Further, my understanding is that the GameMastery Guide is going to include a rogues gallery of general NPCs without the Golarion-specific elements, so I'd like to see this book really play that up. It is part of the Chronicles line, after all.
I like Jason's suggestion of offering variations for at least some of the NPCs, which would allow a generic (or even specific) statblock's versatility to grow exponentially.
I think this book could also be a great opportunity to use and/or update the 3.5 feats and alternate class features that appeared in the Campaign Setting or other Pathfinder books. New rules always seem more real when they are tied into the world more than just a single time.
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Please continue letting us know what you'd like to see in this book, I haven't finished the outline yet so your feedback is helpful in determining what'll actually go in the book. :)I would like to see a fair mix of allies and enemies. If every nation's entry is a town guard, I won't use that very often. But if it's a combination of pirates, sczarni thugs, gladiators, city watchmen, troll augers, etc, I can make that work.
I would present a dissenting opinion to those above who have said they'd rather have general, unnamed NPCs over named ones. I prefer a name and a backstory. These act as inspiration and plot seeds and would help tremendously in the many parts of the world we have yet to explore beyond the Campaign Setting writeup. If the included NPCs are each a specific example of a generic group, then the statblock can be used alone for the general, while the actual Golarion bits can be highlighted for those of us who want to see the world populated beyond just the adventure paths and modules. Further, my understanding is that the GameMastery Guide is going to include a rogues gallery of general NPCs without the Golarion-specific elements, so I'd like to see this book really play that up. It is part of the Chronicles line, after all.
I like Jason's suggestion of offering variations for at least some of the NPCs, which would allow a generic (or even specific) statblock's versatility to grow exponentially.
I think this book could also be a great opportunity to use and/or update the 3.5 feats and alternate class features that appeared in the Campaign Setting or other Pathfinder books. New rules always seem more real when they are tied into the world more than just a single time.
A big nod of agreement to both of the bolded sections above. Golarion it up fo sho!
I would like a good mix of fluff and crunch. Fluff in names and who the folks are, so as Yoda8MyHead said, we can hang a bit of story on a character and differentiate the guards of Magnimar from those of Korvosa, etc.
Variety is the spice of life, and really livens up the gaming table :)
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A big nod of agreement to both of the bolded sections above. Golarion it up fo sho!
Hmmm... that would be nice, but I wonder if there will be a feat book somewhere along the line? At least I think it was James who said they might update (rewrite?) feats from non-OGL sources such as PHB II into PF RPG rules (and I personally think it would be cool to have 'Short Haft' and 'Bounding Assault' et al. as 100% "legal" options in PF RPG, instead of being only allowed if your GM is okay with 3E splats).
So, 'Feat Folio' next, maybe? :)
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A big nod of agreement to both of the bolded sections above. Golarion it up fo sho!Hmmm... that would be nice, but I wonder if there will be a feat book somewhere along the line? At least I think it was James who said they might update (rewrite?) feats from non-OGL sources such as PHB II into PF RPG rules (and I personally think it would be cool to have 'Short Haft' and 'Bounding Assault' et al. as 100% "legal" options in PF RPG, instead of being only allowed if your GM is okay with 3E splats).
So, 'Feat Folio' next, maybe? :)
I hope that 100% crunch books like you are suggesting remain properly corralled in the RPG line. I'd prefer the Chronicles to continue to be setting material which is mostly rules light (though this particular book seems as though it might be a bit crunchier than most.)
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I hope that 100% crunch books like you are suggesting remain properly corralled in the RPG line. I'd prefer the Chronicles to continue to be setting material which is mostly rules light (though this particular book seems as though it might be a bit crunchier than most.)
The main reason so many Chronicles books have been "rules light" is because for the majority of the line's existence, it's been first supporting a game whose rules system we weren't sure of, and second a game whose rules system isn't available yet. One of the things I'm actually looking forward to a LOT come August is the fact that we'll be able to have flavor AND crunch in a Chronicles book. Of course, the crunch will be dictated by the flavor, and will generally skew towards things that GMs would use and not so much PCs...
I hope that, among the other things PAizo has so obviously learned, this idea of endless "crunch" is not the way to go.
Unless you have a GM who has photographic memory, or who is insane, the LAST thing a DM wants is book after book of new rules to read through, learn, or discard.
This is why so many revile the endless rules of 2E, and a large part fo why I walked away from 3E, and why many others walked away as well.
Besides, technically speaking, there is no reason to redo 3E books, since they are all compatible with PAthfinder. Especially feats.
So I hope, and pray, that if PAizo is going to introduce crunch its for the reasons given, to enhance the "flavor" of the setting being presented. More feats for the sake of more feats is already over kill. Its been over kill since early in the days of 3E.
To introduce feats in order to make a land, people, or class a bit distinctive from everything else is a good reason.
Besides, if WOTC had put more thought into their mass production of feats, they could have sold a lot more books doing it the way PAizo is doing it, by indtroducing new settings, societies, races, and classes related to them, and the feats they have discovered that adds to their uniqueness.
Instead they gave 1,001 feats and left it up to already overwhelmed DM's to figure out how to add those feats as an enhancement to their home grown games, or setting they do use.
So I hope Paizo has learned from the mistakes of TSR/WOTC on this front like they have on so many others.
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I hope that, among the other things PAizo has so obviously learned, this idea of endless "crunch" is not the way to go.
Unless you have a GM who has photographic memory, or who is insane, the LAST thing a DM wants is book after book of new rules to read through, learn, or discard.
This is why so many revile the endless rules of 2E, and a large part fo why I walked away from 3E, and why many others walked away as well.
Besides, technically speaking, there is no reason to redo 3E books, since they are all compatible with PAthfinder. Especially feats.
So I hope, and pray, that if PAizo is going to introduce crunch its for the reasons given, to enhance the "flavor" of the setting being presented. More feats for the sake of more feats is already over kill. Its been over kill since early in the days of 3E.
To introduce feats in order to make a land, people, or class a bit distinctive from everything else is a good reason.
Besides, if WOTC had put more thought into their mass production of feats, they could have sold a lot more books doing it the way PAizo is doing it, by introducing new settings, societies, races, and classes related to them, and the feats they have discovered that adds to their uniqueness.
Instead they gave 1,001 feats and left it up to already overwhelmed DM's to figure out how to add those feats as an enhancement to their home grown games, or setting they do use.
So I hope Paizo has learned from the mistakes of TSR/WOTC on this front like they have on so many others.
Another hearty "well said" from me on this one. Feats, PrCs, and even spells and magical items are much more fun and interesting when they are tied to something, like the classic Ed Greenwood spellbook, sword, shield, etc. articles from the old days of Dragon magazine, than just a disembodied list of "hey, here's some new stuff" a la the Magic Item Compendium. Books like that can have their uses, and a lot of folks may well prefer them, but for me I like them all much better when they are connected.
Maybe a reason why I enjoyed the Encyclopedia Magica for 2nd Ed more than the MIC for 3rd was partly that it was almost a history lesson on magic items throughout the game, but also so many of them were tied to adventures, articles, or supplements and all of that flavor text carried over into the EM, all 4 volumes of happy magic goodness.
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What I want:
* Useful semi-generic NPCs, i.e. a sampling of mid-level Golarion entities such as a hellknight, an Andoran slave-breaker, an Absalom Hotspur, a Kaer Maga troll entrail-reader. These I'd just as soon not have names/backgrounds. About 1/3 to 1/2 the book.
* A proper rogue's gallery like the back half of the TSR classic. This would be the staff characters section. Focus on "interesting" more than campaign-useful would be a big plus - I want to see what I can do with the world, not be given a new batch of world-shakers. 1/4 to 1/3 the book. Probably a page to pages each, so there's not necessarily a tremendous amount of room here once art is factored in (from my experiencing, crunching a spellcaster down to fit a single page is a lot of work).
* A few NPCs of fair regional importance. For example a famous venture-captain, or a vampire lord of Ustilav. Balance these between informational value and playability. Half the remaining balance of pages.
* A smattering of non-humanoid entities of importance. We've done dragons, but we could use a coautl, a sphinx, or maybe a half-fiendish otyugh. These should be skewed for GM use in a plot of their own divising. Half the remaining balance of pages.
Thanks for listening :)
Can I get a lair?
Joke aside, I'd like to see some sample groupings of NPCs put together, such as:
Gnoll Cultist Lair (EL X)
Cult Leader (p 123), Minion A (p 124), Thug (p 128)
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Hmm. On Lilith's angle, it might be nice to have guidelines for converting generic NPCs between races. This would include a note on each for how on how to take the current race off, and generic rules for adding a race.
i.e.:
Katapesh thug
* drop Dex to 12
* remove Acrobatics
* remove Weapon Focus
And under the adding races section:
Elf:
* Add +2 to Dex, Int
* Reduce Con by 2
* Reduce hp by 1/level
* Add one skill at maximum ranks
* Add elf racial traits
That might be too complex, though. Especially when favored classes are factored in.
I can completely see where people would want some inspirational background material, at least for "higher than mook level" NPCs, such as a Hellknight Captain. So long as in the end the stats for the Hellknight Captain are essentially pretty close to "average" amongst Hellknight Captains that might be run into.
In other words, if the average Hellknight Captain carries X for a weapon, I don't want to see the NPC, for the sake of making him a unique character, carrying some strange exotic weapon rarely used by Hellknights.
However, for leader types and the "solo" characters, extra flavor is great. On the other hand, I would also like some low level mook type characters that don't need quite so much background. I would like to see, for example, how a group of Sczarni thugs would differ from a more traditional thieves guild "build," however.
Cityscape has kind of an example of this, with a section on NPCs that has the front part of the section with more "generic" stat blocks and then a section called "Villains" that provides some more specific, fleshed out NPCs.
I also agree, I wouldn't mind stat blocks for typical potential allies/hirelings either, although if it comes down to space, I'd favor adversaries over allies/hirelings.