Ultimate Combat Preview #1

Awesome!

A fighter specializing in Siege Engines? Sweet.

A bit sad about the lack of gunmage :(

Panzer Dragoon!

....

DO. WANT.

blink blink

...wait. What happened to the gunmage?

BREATH!!!! OMG, I've been waiting for this checking the blog everyday!!! Thank you!!! Thank you!!! Thank you!!!

---- Not knocking or seeming ungrateful in anyway but what happened to the sorcerer?

Ok, like a few others have asked... where is the Gun Mage?

Throwing Shield is back! Yay! Also, Double Chicken Saber! KFC monk time? I know it's a cane sword, but a man can dream can't he? Also...

...wait. What happened to the gunmage?

Ok, like a few others have asked... where is the Gun Mage?

Became lawful good and a paladin to be a "holy gun" perhaps?

I'm very excited to for the release of this expansion!

Fighting fans... Great! I can finally bring out my inner Kiyoshi Warrior!

I bet that "gun mage" got its name changed to "spellslinger".

Also, that list of weapons delights me. Especially the "flying blade", which I can only imagine isn't called a flying guillotine because guillotines aren't common enough in-game.

So, anyone going to run an all-monk game after this comes out?

Gun Mage is the spellslinger archetype, under wizard.

Dragoon is delicious...I'm havin' flashbacks to Kain in Final Fantasy IV! Squee!

/me starts hoping that one of those Cavalier Archetypes is a mount-less. PLEASE PLEASE have a mount-less...

Strategist sounds promising...

AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Has Gunslinger been made into its own class? Am I late on this?!

Wow so no sorcerer love?

Lots of very cool sounding archetypes.

Please say one of the ones available to barbarians, fighters, or rangers makes grappling viable against other physical combatants!

Has Gunslinger been made into its own class? Am I late on this?!

This was done in Playtest: Round Two.

Also, thanks for the info, Liz.

Wow so no sorcerer love?

Worry not, there is plenty in this book for Sorcerers, just not in the way of archetypes. There are spells and feats, not to mention a bunch of different combat systems that might benefit a sorcerer (and all the other classes that did not get archetypes).

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

Wow so no sorcerer love?

I was kinda curious when the "wha no magic stuff in martial book" complaint creeps up.

Coming up next: "Cleric/Wizard archetypes are depressing, another sign of how weak both classes are"...

Has Gunslinger been made into its own class? Am I late on this?!

Yes, and Yes.

Gignere wrote:

Wow so no sorcerer love?

Worry not, there is plenty in this book for Sorcerers, just not in the way of archetypes. There are spells and feats, not to mention a bunch of different combat systems that might benefit a sorcerer (and all the other classes that did not get archetypes).

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

I find it odd that there isn't a Battle Sorcerer archetype like from UA.

Also, I'm calling that there's a feat that lets sorcerers channel their level 1 abilities through their weapons :)

THE ARCANE BOMBER WHAT BOMBS AT MIDNIGHT.

... couldn't resist. :)

Has Gunslinger been made into its own class? Am I late on this?!

Playtest 2 revealed that.

The artwork is... a bit too anime for me, in fact it just seems to be your typical mecha suit recolored and detailed for a fantasy setting.

I do like the attention to maneuvers with Maneuver Master, though it still suffers the problem of making the martial character head down the path of specialization, rather than versatility. It would have been great if the Maneuver Master had been able to do any maneuver without suffering an attack of opportunity. That would have given a nice shot of versatility into the class.

Connects psychically to Marks and Hyrums minds
After getting over the initial horror of those minds passes along this message

Please make spellslinger and holy gun legal for PFS play.

Please make spellslinger and holy gun legal for PFS play.

heh..Mysterious Stranger Archetype, that sounds..mysterious..and awesome, does it come with a poncho (or trench coat) and fedora? Also

Soul Forger Magus sounds cool as well. Looks Like I have to add to the list of characters I may never get to play.....

That looks really promising. I like everything about the maneuver master.

Just one question, Jason, will UC introduce new maneuvers as well? Or some new things that utilize the maneuver mechanics (perhaps styles)?

it seems that weapons from Adventurer's Armory are not in the weapons groups, I don't see the rhoka anywhere.

So... unbreakable fighters. Played by Bruce Willis?

More seriously, though, that some innate DR for our non-barbarian buddies? Maybe a means by which an unarmored fighter might become a valid choice?

There's lots of interesting things here, though I'm mildly disappointed there is no Hound Master archetype for the Cavalier.

The artwork is... a bit too anime for me, in fact it just seems to be your typical mecha suit recolored and detailed for a fantasy setting.

Please note that it is just one art preview of the book...there's a lot more new art in Ultimate Combat that might be more to your tastes!

Dragoons!?!? AWESOME! I love infantry who ride into battle on horseback!!

it seems that weapons from Adventurer's Armory are not in the weapons groups, I don't see the rhoka anywhere.

A lot of those weapons have not been in a Pathfinder RPG book, only the campaign books, so addressing them in UC would only confuse those that do not get the Campaign books.

Connects psychically to Marks and Hyrums minds

After getting over the initial horror of those minds passes along this message

Please make spellslinger and holy gun legal for PFS play.

Please make spellslinger and holy gun legal for PFS play.

Please make spellslinger and holy gun legal for PFS play.

Probably need to add musketeer and dragoon to that list as well...

Probably need to add musketeer and dragoon to that list as well...

True that on the Dragoon, though I could care less on about any archetypes of Cavalier. ;)

If I am connecting to those horrific minds I will pass along what I want! ;)

Seems I have more questions after all, been looking through the weapon groups (double chicken saber? what??). I noticed that

"brass knuckles**"

are noted as items from UC, since that was already in APG, are the knuckles redefined in some way?

I am so excited for this.

As much as I go on about sorcerer's I'm not worried about them here -- after all this is ultimate combat, I'm not expecting too much for them in it.

The archetype selection looks rather impressive to me, and interesting as well. The maneuver master as presented is certainly something I would consider playing and the idea of mixing grappling with other maneuvers has my mind doing laps right now.

Usually I have a negative point I want to go over when I post on the blogs but today I do not.

(double chicken saber? what??).

I had the same question

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Heres hoping the musketeer and pirate archetypes live up to their names, as I imagine they will see a lot of use when the Skull and Shackles AP comes around.

I've recently been kicking around the idea of a monk with glaive proficiency to represent the traditional sohei use of the naginata... I wonder what the sohei archetype might give me instead?

Urban Barbarian

That archetype name makes my teeth hurt and my eyes itch just seeing it. Please, please, please tell me that it's really more of a gladiator or pit fighter archetype, and not the crazy drug addict psycho archetype.

Glad to see the Gunslinger is a complete class now, I just hope they made the base logic for it be 'guns are common' rather than 'guns are uber rare and we had to put in a bunch of exceptions so that it reads like the summoner and most rules do not work they way you expect'. Let the sidebars cover what to do with rare/very common guns, and how to modify the class, rather than the class being a bunch of exceptions on top of each other (like the last playtest version, where you started playing a gunslinger, and your fellow adventurer's killed you for your gun).

Interested to see what all the archetypes do. Especially the Dragoon (and especially given Liz Courts comments about FF!). I've always liked the idea of armored pikemen being good at combat, it's hard to do that with Fighter right now (or at least, one that doesn't feel like you have to survive 5 levels to become decent, and another 5 to become nasty).

Uhmm... Where's the Hound Master archetype for Cavaliers???

We've been dreaming and begging for that since we first saw it.

WE WANTS IT !!!

Seems I have more questions after all, been looking through the weapon groups (double chicken saber? what??). I noticed that

"brass knuckles**"

are noted as items from UC, since that was already in APG, are the knuckles redefined in some way?

Maybe they decided to settle the conflicting responses about how they work with monks and flurry and unarmed damage.

Wait... what exactly is meant by "alternate" classes (samurai and ninja)? Is that different than a normal class or archetype?

<redundant>What happened to the Gun Mage?</redundant>
EDIT: Nevermind, saw it has been renamed to Spellslinger.

Archaeologist is definitely gonna see use in one of my games, my players are currently working with one right now.

And I can't wait to see all the Monk lovin in the book. Monks are the only Lawful characters I ever play anymore :D

Gun Mage is the spellslinger archetype, under wizard.

Dragoon is delicious...I'm havin' flashbacks to Kain in Final Fantasy IV! Squee!

Don't want to be all rainin' on your parade, but I'm pretty sure they're reffering to the horse-riding type of dragoons and not the jumping-with-a-spear type.

As much as I go on about sorcerer's I'm not worried about them here -- after all this is ultimate combat, I'm not expecting too much for them in it.

The archetype selection looks rather impressive to me, and interesting as well. The maneuver master as presented is certainly something I would consider playing and the idea of mixing grappling with other maneuvers has my mind doing laps right now.

Usually I have a negative point I want to go over when I post on the blogs but today I do not.

Although this is ultimate combat. It just seemed odd that the only core class to not get an archetype was the sorcerer. Even wizards got a few new archetypes.

chopswil wrote:

it seems that weapons from Adventurer's Armory are not in the weapons groups, I don't see the rhoka anywhere.

A lot of those weapons have not been in a Pathfinder RPG book, only the campaign books, so addressing them in UC would only confuse those that do not get the Campaign books.

but I thought it was called Ultimate Combat :)

Don't want to be all rainin' on your parade, but I'm pretty sure they're reffering to the horse-riding type of dragoons and not the jumping-with-a-spear type.

Oh, I'll be pleased either way, I'm sure. :) (Just means my plans for a Final Fantasy Pathfinder game at PaizoCon next year are coming together quite nicely.)

It looks like there's a lot of fun stuff here, although I'm starting to feel the same way about archetypes in Pathfinder as I did about prestige classes in 3.5.

(which is to say, there's a huge glut of them)

Abraham spalding wrote:

As much as I go on about sorcerer's I'm not worried about them here -- after all this is ultimate combat, I'm not expecting too much for them in it.

The archetype selection looks rather impressive to me, and interesting as well. The maneuver master as presented is certainly something I would consider playing and the idea of mixing grappling with other maneuvers has my mind doing laps right now.

Usually I have a negative point I want to go over when I post on the blogs but today I do not.

Although this is ultimate combat. It just seemed odd that the only core class to not get an archetype was the sorcerer. Even wizards got a few new archetypes.

I think it was mentioned in the past that it is more difficult to add archetypes to classes like Wizards, Sorcerers, or Clerics due to the lack of class features (it is a bit more true with Clerics, wizards are doing fine.) Also, since Bloodlines are already almost archetypes in all but name.