Overhand Chop from 2H Fighter Archetype

[Tholas]

PRD, p108 wrote:

Overhand Chop (Ex): At 3rd level, when a two-handed fighter makes a single attack (with the attack action or a charge) with a two-handed weapon, he adds double his Strength bonus on damage rolls. This ability replaces armor training 1.

So, could this be combined with Vital Strike, Deadly Stroke or other 'make one attack' feats? Basically this is much the same as the old question if Vital Strike can be combined with 'as a standard action make one attack' type of feats.

Personally I think not, but the wording of Overhand Chop(and Vital Strike for that matter) is just a bit too unclear to me and I would like to see this clarified.

[Scipion del Ferro]

Yes, both of those can be combined. They are not mutually exclusive. Overhand Chop (and the other strength things they get) are extraordinary abilities that get added when you met the specific conditions. ie. a single attack.

Vital Strike is a feat that may be applied whenever you make a single attack action.

You could combine Overhand Chop, Power Attack, and Vital Strike if you wanted.

[PathfinderEspañol]

I would say yes, you can combine them.

You don't have to use a standard action to make a special attack, instead "when a two-handed fighter makes a single attack (with the attack action or a charge) with a two-handed weapon, he adds[...]"

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Now I have a question:

I add 2xStr INSTEAD of 1.5xStr

OR

I add 2xStr AND the usual 1.5xStr

[Slaunyeh]

PathfinderEspañol wrote:

I would say yes, you can combine them.

You don't have to use a standard action to make a special attack, instead "when a two-handed fighter makes a single attack (with the attack action or a charge) with a two-handed weapon, he adds[...]"

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Now I have a question:

I add 2xStr INSTEAD of 1.5xStr

OR

I add 2xStr AND the usual 1.5xStr

Pretty sure it's supposed to upgrade the strength bonus from x1.5 to x2. But it COULD be read either way.

[Diskordant]

Slaunyeh wrote:

PathfinderEspañol wrote:

I would say yes, you can combine them.

You don't have to use a standard action to make a special attack, instead "when a two-handed fighter makes a single attack (with the attack action or a charge) with a two-handed weapon, he adds[...]"

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Now I have a question:

I add 2xStr INSTEAD of 1.5xStr

OR

I add 2xStr AND the usual 1.5xStr

Pretty sure it's supposed to upgrade the strength bonus from x1.5 to x2. But it COULD be read either way.

It could also be read as the "strength bonus" on a 2-handed weapon is 1.5 x str mod, so in this case it would be equal to 3 x str mod.

[Cartigan]

*face palm*
We need less ambiguity.
Can we get a errata on APG now?

[Jason Nelson]

PathfinderEspañol wrote:

I would say yes, you can combine them.

You don't have to use a standard action to make a special attack, instead "when a two-handed fighter makes a single attack (with the attack action or a charge) with a two-handed weapon, he adds[...]"

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Now I have a question:

I add 2xStr INSTEAD of 1.5xStr

OR

I add 2xStr AND the usual 1.5xStr

It says what it does and does what it says.

You add double your STR bonus. Whatever your STR bonus is, you double it.

Normally when you attack with a two-handed weapon, you add 1.5 x your STR bonus. Your STR bonus itself doesn't change. The relevant text is on p. 141 of the core rules: "Apply 1-1/2 times the character's Strength bonus to damage rolls for melee attacks with such a [two-handed] weapon."

If you have 18 STR, your STR bonus is +4.

For a typical character, they add their STR bonus to damage, which is +4, AND they add +50% for wielding a TH weapon, for an extra +2.

For an overhand chopper, they add their STR bonus to damage, which is still +4, and they double it when making a single attack in a round with a TH weapon, for an extra +4.

Their doubling supersedes the normal +50%.

And yes, it was specifically written to NOT be a standard action so that it would usable in conjunction with Vital Strike, Deadly Stroke, charge attacks, etc. where you make only a single attack in a round.

[Swivl]

Slaunyeh wrote:

PathfinderEspañol wrote:

I would say yes, you can combine them.

You don't have to use a standard action to make a special attack, instead "when a two-handed fighter makes a single attack (with the attack action or a charge) with a two-handed weapon, he adds[...]"

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Now I have a question:

I add 2xStr INSTEAD of 1.5xStr

OR

I add 2xStr AND the usual 1.5xStr

Pretty sure it's supposed to upgrade the strength bonus from x1.5 to x2. But it COULD be read either way.

I read it as 2x replacing the 1.5x. Of course, that's also how I read it in the beta feat, so maybe I have precedence as a source of bias.

[Sean K Reynolds]

Noted for errata.