I must agree. This is one of the best paladin bio's i've seen / heard of to date. Defently can see how she walked down that path, and like the explination of her armor and helm usage. Great work to which ever team member or non-team member who came up with this background.
Yeah, for serious. I usually think pre gen characters are pretty lame, with hackneyed bios. But these last few have just been writen so well. I dislike RPG inspired fiction (FR novels, Dragonlance, etc...), but I think I'd actually read some if the same people writing the "Meet The Iconics" write-ups were actually producing them.
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I think Pathfinder fiction is, at this point, inevitable. I believe all of the iconic backgrounds to date have been written by James Jacobs, who is of course on the fiction shortlist (if we can pry him away from the RPG stuff, that is!).
--Erik
I think Pathfinder fiction is, at this point, inevitable. I believe all of the iconic backgrounds to date have been written by James Jacobs, who is of course on the fiction shortlist (if we can pry him away from the RPG stuff, that is!).
--Erik
OH, please do! Pry, pry, pry! I consider myself to be a snob when it comes to sci-fi/fantasy (as oxymoronic as that sounds), so I'm always looking at RPG related novels with a healty dose of disdain. But the last few Iconics have really moved me, especially Seelah's story. I think Mr. Jacobs could pursued me to change my opinion.
I'd also love to see some smaller, pulp inspired short stories involving members of the Pathfinder Organization.
The background makes me want to pull out the 3.0 rules for apprentice characters (rogue/paladin, anyone?). It's a nice "conversion" story that helps prevent the paladin from being a one-dimensional stereotype.
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OH, please do! Pry, pry, pry! I consider myself to be a snob when it comes to sci-fi/fantasy (as oxymoronic as that sounds), so I'm always looking at RPG related novels with a healty dose of disdain. But the last few Iconics have really moved me, especially Seelah's story. I think Mr. Jacobs could pursued me to change my opinion.I'd also love to see some smaller, pulp inspired short stories involving members of the Pathfinder Organization.
I'd probably read a JJ book but keep em on the rpg, Pathfinder is most excellent and I'm thinking a lot of that is also thanks to JJ.
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Good thing it was a paladin of Iomedae she stole that helm from and not a Hellknight, I doubt one of them would have been as charitable.
That said, Hellknights are cooler than paladins. I want a Hellknight iconic...
I dunno, I bet there would be a few Hellknights who would be impressed by her ballsiness.
Anyone else find it interesting about how she's trying so hard to emulate the fallen paladin, that she's kind of becoming her?
Let me get this straight;each Pathfinder issue comes with 4 Iconic pc's written by JJ stats and all?
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I think Pathfinder fiction is, at this point, inevitable. I believe all of the iconic backgrounds to date have been written by James Jacobs, who is of course on the fiction shortlist (if we can pry him away from the RPG stuff, that is!).
--Erik
would it be easier to do a compilation of short stories (maybe having each end with how the iconics meet each other like the "tales of __" star wars books?
I love her backstory. I think she promises to be the most interesting Paladin I've ever heard of. I love the guilt angle. I think that will be a much more interesting trait than the stereotypical self-righteous, even pompous, Paladin I've seen many times in the past.
Can't wait to read more about her!
Let me get this straight;each Pathfinder issue comes with 4 Iconic pc's written by JJ stats and all?
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I dunno, I bet there would be a few Hellknights who would be impressed by her ballsiness.Indeed. They would probably say, "Thief, I am impressed by your ballsiness. Do you have any final request?"
I still think that that would make for an awesome alternate history deal where she steals the helmet of a Hellknight, and ends up becoming one.
Then Seelah the Paladin and Seelah the Hellknight meet via a dimensional rift or something. ^_^
Let me get this straight;each Pathfinder issue comes with 4 Iconic pc's written by JJ stats and all?
It's probably important to note that each Pathfinder arc (that is, 1-6, 7-12, etc.) features the same 4 iconic characters. So Valeros, Seoni, Merisiel, and Kyra are presented at 6 different level increments in the 6 installments of RotRL, etc.
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I still think that that would make for an awesome alternate history deal where she steals the helmet of a Hellknight, and ends up becoming one.Then Seelah the Paladin and Seelah the Hellknight meet via a dimensional rift or something. ^_^
Ever read the old Dungeon adventure "Mask of Diamond Tears"?
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Ever read the old Dungeon adventure "Mask of Diamond Tears"?
Old? That adventure came out in the last twelve issues of Dungeon, though yes, that would be pretty cool.
Really, though, all my twisted mind can think of is this. Bad hormones! Bad!
I'm frothing at the mouth for more Iconics - GIVE THEM TO ME!
*ducks to avoid a wacking from Kobold Cleaver*
I think Pathfinder fiction is, at this point, inevitable. I believe all of the iconic backgrounds to date have been written by James Jacobs, who is of course on the fiction shortlist (if we can pry him away from the RPG stuff, that is!).
NOOOOOooooo....
I love his work too much on the RPG side of things to see that time lost to a novel (which I am sure would be great).
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I especially like that she's one of the few non-white humans in the world's most popular roleplaying game. Thank you, Paizo, for embracing diversity.
Excellent! Really awesome. I had a neutral attitude towards Pathfinder fiction till this character came around.
I love the insight into Iomedae too, of course. ;) Can't wait for that Gazeteer for more tidbits.
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Man. Can't wait to see Seelah in PF7 now. Moving story.
(will she be a straight Pally? how will her street orphan/merc background reflect on her stat sheet?)
All the Paizo Iconics are single classed, so I guess she wasn't a street thief very long.
Personally if she was my PC, I would give her 1 level of Rogue just for the Sneak Attack + Smite Evil combo.
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The background makes me want to pull out the 3.0 rules for apprentice characters (rogue/paladin, anyone?). It's a nice "conversion" story that helps prevent the paladin from being a one-dimensional stereotype.
Yeap! Losing apprentice character creation in 3.5 sucked and the excuse for not including it lame. However, I'm now very amused by the fact that everything we've heard about 4e multiclassing is basically sounds like the 3.0 apprentice levels system evolved.
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I think Pathfinder fiction is, at this point, inevitable. I believe all of the iconic backgrounds to date have been written by James Jacobs, who is of course on the fiction shortlist (if we can pry him away from the RPG stuff, that is!).
Wow.. I read that right!
We need a trilogy featuring the first group of iconics! :)
Man. Can't wait to see Seelah in PF7 now. Moving story. (will she be a straight Pally? how will her street orphan/merc background reflect on her stat sheet?)Yeah; she's a pure paladin; no multiclassing for any of our iconics.
Ok, so maybe an updated version of City Born to include new cities and possibly Lone Wolf.
I like all the iconics, but I have to say I hope they all have strong bladders. With the exception of Seoni, they'd all require 45 minutes and a diagram to get out of their clothes.
I like all the iconics, but I have to say I hope they all have strong bladders. With the exception of Seoni, they'd all require 45 minutes and a diagram to get out of their clothes.
Wasn't extensive, full-plate armor applied and removed by the squire, anyway? Just in owning once a pair of boots with buckles in odd places that were tedious to reach alone, I'd imagine such a suit would demand help to don or remove . . . and hence, this leads to fun scenarios in gaming groups as the meat shield asks for volunteers at dawn and at bedtime. It becomes a game of how to avoid hurt feelings.
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I like all the iconics, but I have to say I hope they all have strong bladders. With the exception of Seoni, they'd all require 45 minutes and a diagram to get out of their clothes.
ALL D&D heroes have strong bladders. When was the last time a PC went to the bathroom in one of your games? :-)
ALL D&D heroes have strong bladders. When was the last time a PC went to the bathroom in one of your games? :-)
Not just D&D heroes, but most of them.
Did Indiana Jones go to the toilet? Luke Skywalker, James T. Kirk, John McClane?
Crocodile Dundee did once, but only the threaten some guy with a knife!
Heroes don't go to the toilet.
And most dungeons don't have toilets anyway. Strange considering most cities have sewers to fill with monsters.
But you should force the PC's to the toilet. That way you can exchange them for a doppleganger... cast a charm spell on them... turn them into something unnatural... you get the idea.
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ALL D&D heroes have strong bladders. When was the last time a PC went to the bathroom in one of your games? :-)I like all the iconics, but I have to say I hope they all have strong bladders. With the exception of Seoni, they'd all require 45 minutes and a diagram to get out of their clothes.
The last time was when an NPC drugged him in the tavern, and he only failed the drugs fort save by one, so instead of being knocked out he just got diarrhea...
I think Pathfinder fiction is, at this point, inevitable. I believe all of the iconic backgrounds to date have been written by James Jacobs, who is of course on the fiction shortlist (if we can pry him away from the RPG stuff, that is!).
--Erik
Well, if fiction is indeed inevitable, let me suggest that you guys follow the route that Robert E. Howard took when he was writing the Conan stories - a bunch of disconnected stories that followed the various exploits of the eponymous character and slowly brought the world to life. The slow, piece-by-piece creation of Hyboria seems like a perfect mirror to the slow creation of Golarion in each new issue of Pathfinder and the Gamemastery modules.
Well, if fiction is indeed inevitable, let me suggest that you guys follow the route that Robert E. Howard took when he was writing the Conan stories - a bunch of disconnected stories that followed the various exploits of the eponymous character and slowly brought the world to life. The slow, piece-by-piece creation of Hyboria seems like a perfect mirror to the slow creation of Golarion in each new issue of Pathfinder and the Gamemastery modules.
Yes. This is exactly the thing I want to see when I talk about Pathfinder inspired fiction. I don't want a trilogy or some 400 page novel, where all the Iconics get together and save Golarian from the nefarious forces of evil. I want smaller stories; character sketches, with maybe some the iconics meeting up every once in a while. Maybe the Iconics aren't even in it? I know Mr. Mona is a big fan of the pulp stories, so maybe that's more along the line of what he's going for.
Wow what a background story...
I am overwhelmend.
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It made me cry with emotion.