Sorry I'm rather under the weather currently. I'll try to keep up posting but please don't let it hold up the game
Sorry for the lack of posts sickness kept me from the computer, feeling better now but will be missing in action for a couple of day more. Particularly sorry to start an argument but pleased that it seems to be sorted.
Eh, I think arguments are fairly unavoidable with this group. I think Imon and Anwel are becoming the odd couple. I call Oscar, because Anwel isn't from Brevoy, and so obviously is a house guest here.
Now let's see who is old enough to know what I'm talking about, and who just thinks I'm crazy. . .
I dunno about being old enough to know what you're talking about, being 20, but I loved watching the Odd Couple. The interplay between Felix and Oscar was hilarious. I need to go watch some of that again, in fact.
The TV show didn't do much for me, but the original movie with Jack Lemmon and Waltar Matthau is a classic and still one of my favorites.
My wife and I still kid each other with "Let it be on your head..." every once in a while.
I was talking about the movie, by the way. I've never seen the show.
I've seen both. I liked the movie better, but most people I've talked to who have even seen it have only seen the show, so I've begun assuming the show is being talked about.
Eh, I think arguments are fairly unavoidable with this group. I think Imon and Anwel are becoming the odd couple. I call Oscar, because Anwel isn't from Brevoy, and so obviously is a house guest here.
Strictly speaking, Anwel was born in Port Ice. He wasn't raised in Brevoy, though.
Now let's see who is old enough to know what I'm talking about, and who just thinks I'm crazy...
You mean the Neil Simon play? I've never seen it, only read it, and the copy I read belonged to a library, so I don't own it. This is now something I regret.
As for counterparts, I'd agree Anwel makes a good Felix. From wikipedia: "Felix, however, seems utterly incapable of enjoying anything and only finds purpose in pointing out his own and other people's mistakes and foibles. Even when he tries to do so in a gentle and constructive way, his corrections and suggestions prove extremely annoying to those around him."
Liked both the movie and the TV show, watched it regularly when it was on, high school years, which is a clue to how long I've been around.
Watches sadly as another grey hair floats by never to be seen again. :)
Sorry, don't have much time, posting in class and all, but I've been out of internet for a little while, and haven't been able to post. They're coming out today to fix it, so I'll be able to actually post for the game later today.
I'm at a seder at the moment. Will get a post up once we're finished eating.
Y'know, after that, I'm not sure I can act just yet. Anyone who wants to lead me around, pose me in funny poses, etc., feel free to do that til Tareth lets me know for sure that I can act again.
:D
Imon jumps up and down, waving his arm wildly as h does so, "Oh oh! Me! I will!"
Hello, new possible recruit here sneakin' around yer thread.
Just wanted to say, I really like the stinky story/encounter DM T ... very nice ... (I might not later, but thats just Gorax talking).
I must remember it for future campaigns ..... :)
Hello, new possible recruit here sneakin' around yer thread.
Huh. I wasn't aware we were recruiting. Welcome if you choose to stay, and if Tareth agrees.
Stellan asked me to check it out, said the DM was down. I will await confirmation before making further disturbances to your game.
I wasn't actively recruiting. However, Stellan recommended Grendolynn and since we lost Thad I was, and am, certainly fine bringing her on board. That's of course if she wishes to jump in. If so, I would recommend a clothes pin for her nose considering the current state of some of the party. ;)
I played with Grendolynn in the first campaign that I played as Stellan and liked her concept and play. I thought back when we were re-recurited to Tareth to ask her to join but she was in play elsewhere. I rechecked yesterday evening and saw she was free, so this morning I asked DM-Tareth if it was OK to invite and he said yes, so I did, and she said yes. And here we are.
The state of the party is pretty sad right now. How about if Stellan has met Grendolynn before, it might make bringing her in a little easier?
I need to level up to level 2, and read you guy's gameplay thread. But then I'll be good to play, however you want to introduce me.
The state of the party is pretty sad right now.
What does that mean? Even while Andrei's temporarily inactive, we're a six-person party. Or are you hoping she'll ameliorate our group's tendency towards acrimonious ethical debates?
Oh yeah, Grendolynn, this group has a tendency towards acrimonious ethical debates.
This will be the 3rd kingmaker game she's gone into. Every time she's gotten into arguments with the group softy about killing the bandits. >_>*
Hope that doesn't happen again. Maybe I'll just throw that part of her personality out the window and change her to CG or something. So she'll be down with all the annoying and unnecessary rehabilitation of bandits because it's "good".
Sorry I didn't mean anything harsh by it, I meant only that two party members are distressed by that horrid goop, and the all of us a bit scattered about at the moment, with prisoners in tow,and surrounded by enemies, the party somewhat underequipped, and yeah a bit of a tendency to debate weighty issues in hostile situations.
Actually, that does seem a bit sad ... but I certainly did not mean to imply any bad play on anyone's part.
Edit, oh bandits are the easy issue, Grendolynn, our prisoners are a bugbear and two goblins...
Edit two: And a reason I thought you be good for this group, Grendolynn, is that you would not be so predictable in how the group dynamic would work, I could see it go several different ways.
Here's how things stand so you're up to speed. This game started out with one group, of which Warren is the only remaining PC. Everyone else has gone inactive, though two old PCs, Thad and Tityanna, are still either with the party or back at the trading post. This group had established itself as willing to bargain with worgs and to accept the loyalty of bandits who worked a year and a day for Oleg. Thad, having been a bandit himself at one point (it's OOC, so I can say that, right?) was a particularly strong proponent of this.
Imon was brought in when people started to go inactive, and had a much less accepting attitude towards the bandits, being willing to murder most of them in their sleep after the rest of the group had accepted their surrender. The old group never really got this resolved, because most of it had gone inactive by this point.
Since they had, Warren brought over the rest of the group he'd been playing with. We had lost our GM to inactivity, and the solution seemed elegant. Warren probably told you about this. This group, which includes Anwel, Andrei, Udoeak, Warren, and Gorax had, by the time we were recruited, dealt only with bandits and not with "monsters", but we'd also proved willing to accept their surrenders, and their labor.
It's really been this arc that's provoked a lot of stormy debate. I'm sorry to say that I've been rather central to this, for two interrelated reasons. The first concerns my backstory, which involves being enslaved and deputized by a being of both great evil and great power (feel free to read my backstory for more details). I kept this secret in character, first out of a desire to shield everyone else from her influence, then also out of fear of bodily harm. When it finally came out, about half the group felt really betrayed and threatened, and the arguments over how to deal with it became rather personal.
The second reason is that this arc is the first where the new group has really dealt with "monsters," specifically goblinoids (the title and my mention of a worg probably clued you into this if you didn't know it already, but Tareth is incorporating additional elements into the AP as written). I hope I don't sound too pretentious or self-centered by phrasing it this way, because I really don't mean to give that impression, but I think our arguments about what to do about them have been colored to a great degree by the bad feelings generated by the arguments over my fate. In part this is because I've been a very strong proponent of avoiding open conflict with the goblins, seeing in them both a slow-burning threat that we don't need to antagonize right now, and even a potential counterbalance to the Stag Lord and to the villains from my backstory. The other position is that they're a rival power, that conflict is inevitable between peoples as different as humans and goblins (interestingly, Udo, Thad, and I, the strongest proponents of across-the-board compassion in the group, are all elves; Udo and I are also both Neutral while Imon is Good...again, interesting), and that there's no point treating them well or trying to understand them as opposed to killing them. The last argument we had was over to execute three prisoners we [Stellan] had taken.
I think this group has a lot of potential, and that we are taking necessary steps to grow together. This last encounter, for instance, saw Gorax and me work quite well together and the aftermath let me and Imon kind of de-escalate (I say "kind of" because I can't speak at the moment). But I think, also, that if you're contemplating joining up, that you ought to think long and hard about that dynamic and what role you'd like to play within it.
I still need to read the thread. Grendolynn hates goblins. She thinks they are evil scum (because her tribe and father were as a little girl). If she came across them, she'd likely kill them outright. At the very least make them leave the stolen lands.
In both her games they haven't encountered anything but bandits yet, she's usually on the side of executing them, because that's the law. However if the rest of the group strongly argues against it, she gives in due to wanting to avoid conflict with her own group.
Most of them? It was only two! Of course, they were the only two left alive and uncaptured. . .
Anyway, somewhere along the way, Imon became the group's Knight Templar despite the fact that he is neither Lawful Good, or any kind of evil.
Grendolynn is not quite that crazy, but she doesn't really believe in second chances for people who commit capital crimes. Whether they are 'bad people' or not is irrelevant to the law.
I still need to read the thread.
Good luck. It's quite long, and quite dense.
Grendolynn hates goblins. She thinks they are evil scum (because her tribe and father were as a little girl). If she came across them, she'd likely kill them outright. At the very least make them leave the stolen lands.
I'm sorry, but I can't quite parse the bolded parenthetical statement. Is there supposed to be an adjective or descriptive phrase in between "tribe and father were" and "as a little girl"?
Most of them? It was only two! Of course, they were the only two left alive and uncaptured...
Precisely ;)
Anyway, somewhere along the way, Imon became the group's Knight Templar despite the fact that he is neither Lawful Good, nor any kind of evil.
Some GMs I've played with would have shifted Anwel's, Imon's, Udo's, and Warren's alignments by now. It is probably to Tareth's credit that he hasn't felt the need to do so.
Whether they are 'bad people' or not is irrelevant to the law.
"Is it? The charters state quite clearly that Brevic law makes an allowance for repentance."
I offer that as a small sample of the sort of talk we get up to IC. So you're prepared.
When she was a little girl, living with goblins, her tribe was evil. Her biological father particularly so. So she's a "self-hating" goblin, with human culture.
Well that's interesting, let me jot down by thoughts for later...
*scribble scribble*
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Gorax has a tendency to hit things as a solution, plus a couple of other interesting traits, like he's not as worldly as the others, he doesn't know a great deal about monsters or magic, both of which he's a bit skeptical about. the healing stuff is good though. He thinks most of the others in the group are above his station, being lords and having fine clothes and stuff like that. The exception being Stellan, and he's suspicious of Imon, all the shadow stuff he doesn't like, but he doesn't understand it either. Oh, he absolutely dislikes alcohol....with a passion, his father was a drunk who beat his mother until he never came home one day.
He sees his role as a protector of the party, even if he isn't any good at it and as I said, would hits things to solve problems.
Anything that doesn't make sense, is cos I have written it off really quickly as I don't have much time at the moment.
So welcome Grendolynn.
Welcome Gwen
To summarize, Warren worked with a group that was pretty tight and bonded with some settlers on the trip over to Oleg's.
At the moment, he has little reason to trust Anwel. Three incidents and a later confession revealed he was following a hidden agenda.
As to forced alignment changes, I agree that is the DMs call. Imon is playing true to a neutral good alignment, I see little problems there.
At the moment, he has little reason to trust Anwel.
Well, I keep trying to give you reasons. I offered to let you punish me if the goblins tried to escape (though this seems to have been forgotten - let me know if it hasn't). I went into the bubble field alone, and took the full brunt of its wrath, so no one else would have to. How much more harm should I expect to bring upon myself before you trust me?
The wandering into the bubble field thing might not have worked the way you think. Imon did have to give you credit for valor, his opinion has shifted from thinking you are a security risk who may betray the group at any time, likely without meaning to, to now where he just thinks you are mad as a hatter. I guess you could look at it as an improvement, but it seems like something of a lateral shift to me.
Well, the assessment that I'm mad as a hatter isn't as inaccurate as Imon's former impression, so I think I will look on that change as an improvement. IMHO wizards should be a little mad.
The weekend has arrived, and with it hopefully enough free time for me to actually read the gameplay thread.
I don't really have the gumption to read the entire gameplay thread. Is it cool if I just get introduced? Grendolynn wouldn't know the group anyway, why do I need to know out of character?
Grendolynn, no need to read the entire game thread. It is a bit long. There's a good opportunity to bring you in coming right up, so I'll begin to work that in.
Grendolynn, do you want to have known Stellan or anyone else as a background element or be strangers to everyone? Could make introductions a bit easier.
I'd prefer to be a stranger, with a writ from Restov. Same as y'all but we've never met before.
Probably for the best. If someone knew you, given the kind of topics we talk about, you'd have come up in conversation before now and we'd all have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to justify what you didn't.
I have a question, how would you like Imon to respond to you when we meet? So far, he has been working from the assumption that monstrous humanoids as Always Chaotic Evil monsters, and so far he's been proven right. Regardless, up until now it has just been a matter for debate, but if we get an honest to goodness hobgoblin on the group. . .
Guess we'll find out.
Just a quick note. I'm moving house this saturday and the ISP says it'll take a week to connect at the new place. I'll have phone and internet at work for that time but posts are likely to be short.
Gorax and Anwel each get 50XP for the bubble encounter. Everyone else gets 25XP.
An updated map of the region explored is HERE
I'm actually gonna have to not join this game after all. As much as I want to, RL is demanding I reduce my PBP load. Thanks for the offer DM Tareth, good gaming to you all.
Sorry to hear it, that RL curse seems to have struck this thread again. But family and that pesky real world is more important. Just thought Grendolynn would have made an interesting addition. Good luck to you too.
Nice map there DM, looks like you made it yourself with freehand drawing. Lots of artists here, I need something like Heromachine to do anything, cannot draw worth a darn.
Looks like we've only explored a very small part of our assigned area.
Is Anwel still doing his mapping or does someone have to take that over, due to recent events?