A couple questions here.
1) Let's say my ally is under the effects of Heightened Invisibility and I cast Courageous Anthem (singing) would he still get the benefit?
2) If I have a level 2 See The Unseen can I see the invisible person as concealed?
Courageous anthem is an area effect. You don't have to target them.
Yes. You still have to make a check to target concealed creatures, though, it's just easier.
1) Yes because as well answered by Super Zero it's an AoE, so there's no need to target.
2) Yes of course.
But I have to note that the opposite might be a bit complicated, specially under effect of Disappearance because you cannot be seen nor listened. By RAW the spell continues to work normally, but it's very strange that a composition spell that is made to “You inspire yourself and your allies with words or tunes of encouragement” working with the people unable to notice you.
YuriP wrote: 1) Yes because as well answered by Super Zero it's an AoE, so there's no need to target.
2) Yes of course.
But I have to note that the opposite might be a bit complicated, specially under effect of Disappearance because you cannot be seen nor listened. By RAW the spell continues to work normally, but it's very strange that a composition spell that is made to “You inspire yourself and your allies with words or tunes of encouragement” working with the people unable to notice you.
Considering that the Composition trait demand a type of Performance and is explicitly Visual or Auditory depending the type of performance, I don't think you can reasonably say that you could affect anyone with a composition while under the effects of Dissaperance, Just for the same reasons a Visual Performance wouldn't work while invisible.
Obviously this doesn't matter if it is the one you are trying to affect that is under the effect of Dissapearance as they can obviously hear/see you just fine and its an AoE.
NorrKnekten wrote: Considering that the Composition trait demand a type of Performance and is explicitly Visual or Auditory depending the type of performance, I don't think you can reasonably say that you could affect anyone with a composition while under the effects of Dissaperance, Just for the same reasons a Visual Performance wouldn't work while invisible. Yet Courageous Anthem doesn't have Visual or Auditory traits. Only its flavor text that suggests that it is auditory but I don't think this have rule effects.
If I was to cast True Target on the invisible person would I need to make a successful roll in order to target them?
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The Total Package wrote: If I was to cast True Target on the invisible person would I need to make a successful roll in order to target them? The targets of True Target are (generally, at least) your allies. If one of them is invisible it would follow the normal rules for targeting an invisible creature.
So it would be the same answer as if you wanted to cast Soothe on them while they are invisible.
YuriP wrote: NorrKnekten wrote: Considering that the Composition trait demand a type of Performance and is explicitly Visual or Auditory depending the type of performance, I don't think you can reasonably say that you could affect anyone with a composition while under the effects of Dissaperance, Just for the same reasons a Visual Performance wouldn't work while invisible. Yet Courageous Anthem doesn't have Visual or Auditory traits. Only its flavor text that suggests that it is auditory but I don't think this have rule effects. I know it doesn't have the traits. But there are plenty of cases where actions and activities don't have traits that arent guaranteed to be there. Counter Performance is such a case where it explicitly gains the same trait as the Performance used, while it also has neither trait. Im not looking at the flavor text either but rather the Trait itself. In the CRB it was explicit that ALL compositions gained these traits so thats why im really unsure about making any statements that it also isn't a rule in effect in the remaster or atleast RAI.
Player Core: Composition Trait wrote: To cast a composition cantrip or focus spell, you use a type of Performance. If the spell requires an auditory performance, you might recite a poem, sing a song, or perform a dramatic monologue. If the spell requires a visual performance, you might dance or pantomime. You can cast only one composition spell each turn, and you can have only one active at a time. If you cast a new composition spell, any ongoing effects from your previous composition spell end immediately. Core Rulebook: Composition Trait wrote: To cast a composition cantrip or focus spell, you usually use a type of Performance. If the spell includes a verbal component, you must use an auditory performance, and if it includes a somatic component, you must use a visual one. The spell gains all the traits of the performance you used. You can cast only one composition spell each turn, and you can have only one active at a time. If you cast a new composition spell, any ongoing effects from your previous composition spell end immediately. Edit: Yup... I found it. The explicit mention of actions gaining the traits from a used performance when said performance is part of the action.
Player Core pg. 243 2.0 Performance Traits wrote: When you use an action that utilizes the Performance skill, it gains one or more traits relevant to the type of performance. The GM might change these depending on the circumstances, but the most common performance-based traits are listed below.
Yet Courageous Anthem doesn't use your Performance skill. So RAW still not have Visual or Auditory traits.
I'm not against the idea as RAI to link an Auditory or Visual trait to composition spells too, but RAW I still don't find a clear point saying that when the composition spell doesn't have the trait, it's basically a spell type limited to 1 round.
YuriP wrote: Yet Courageous Anthem doesn't use your Performance skill. I find that a bit of a stretch. Using a skill might accompanied by a Check but its not neccesary. I probably would've agreed if it wasn't for the Composition trait telling us that in order to cast Compositions we: "You use a type of Performance", capitalized.
I can't think of anything other than the Performance skill this could point to.
Format of Rules wrote: The names of specific statistics, skills, feats, actions, and some other mechanical elements in Pathfinder are capitalized. This way, when you see the statement "a Strike targets Armor Class," you know that both Strike and Armor Class are referring to rules. We can say that the capitalization might be incidental or even accidental and I would be fine with that, but RAW it references a skill, action or other mechanical game element. If it't the first two.. then you are using the Performance Skill or one of Performance's Skill Actions (Perform).
If anything this gives GMs and Players some freedom compared to Premaster as they can adjust what kind of performance is used other than just outright stating that anything with a verbal component is Auditory and anything with a somantic component is Visual.
Is it going to matter that much? probably not.
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