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Charlie Brooks wrote: RPG-Geek wrote: I don't see why there has to be a push and pull between the two. PDFs don't have page count issues, and I'd gladly pay more for a larger book with 30% more monsters and 100% more descriptive text. PDFs might not need to worry about the cost of paper, but they still cost something to make. More content means more art, writing, editing, layout, and so on.
That's not even getting into the sales analysis of what sells in large quantities vs what doesn't, which is not something I know. It's also worth noting that the time it takes the writers, designers, developers, artists, and editors to produce a book is pretty much identical whether or not it's a PDF or print book. Our production schedule is pretty packed as it is. That's why we don't do many "web supplement" type things beyond the Adventure Path Player's Guides.
Perpdepog wrote: Agonarchy wrote: I had this issue with 5E not too long ago, but regarding creatures with much less context available outside their monster entries. Paizo generally expands on their material in ways closer to 2E D&D (my highest compliment), but you do have to know where to find it. I'm hopeful that we'll get some Fiendish Codex kinds of books like the upcoming Dragon book for those creatures that are less region-specific. I would be over the moon for a 2E rendition of The Book of the Damned with sections devoted to each kind of fiend. Loved that book, and the format for the monster-centric books in 2E is even better organized IMO. Well they have a book for undead like this already and are releasing one for dragons and an elemental plane focused ones so one covering fiends/demons seems very possible.

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kaid wrote: Perpdepog wrote: Agonarchy wrote: I had this issue with 5E not too long ago, but regarding creatures with much less context available outside their monster entries. Paizo generally expands on their material in ways closer to 2E D&D (my highest compliment), but you do have to know where to find it. I'm hopeful that we'll get some Fiendish Codex kinds of books like the upcoming Dragon book for those creatures that are less region-specific. I would be over the moon for a 2E rendition of The Book of the Damned with sections devoted to each kind of fiend. Loved that book, and the format for the monster-centric books in 2E is even better organized IMO. Well they have a book for undead like this already and are releasing one for dragons and an elemental plane focused ones so one covering fiends/demons seems very possible. Already have one one for elementals (Rage of Elements), and also one for animals/beasts (Howl of the Wild). I suspect we'll continue to do this sort of book too. There will be no shortage of monster flavor.

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James Jacobs wrote: kaid wrote: Perpdepog wrote: Agonarchy wrote: I had this issue with 5E not too long ago, but regarding creatures with much less context available outside their monster entries. Paizo generally expands on their material in ways closer to 2E D&D (my highest compliment), but you do have to know where to find it. I'm hopeful that we'll get some Fiendish Codex kinds of books like the upcoming Dragon book for those creatures that are less region-specific. I would be over the moon for a 2E rendition of The Book of the Damned with sections devoted to each kind of fiend. Loved that book, and the format for the monster-centric books in 2E is even better organized IMO. Well they have a book for undead like this already and are releasing one for dragons and an elemental plane focused ones so one covering fiends/demons seems very possible. Already have one one for elementals (Rage of Elements), and also one for animals/beasts (Howl of the Wild). I suspect we'll continue to do this sort of book too. There will be no shortage of monster flavor. I very much appreciated hydras being featured in howl of the wild.
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I hope Horror Adventures gets something similar in pf2.
A 2E version of the Book of the Damned would be an interesting thing to revisit. Though letting it coincide with a Book of the Blessed might also be neat.
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I'm personally okay with the flavor text on monster stat blocks delivering just the essentials of the monster's behavior and significance, because most lore tied to monsters in my experience tends to be quite dependent on context and setting. Monsters from one place to another may have different names, connotations, and relationships to the setting's inhabitants, to say nothing of specific areas where they can be found and local folk tales around them, and that I think is the kind of worldbuilding that is better-suited for a world guide. If I want to homebrew my own setting, having just the monster's essentials listed means I get to quickly have a clear picture of what they're supposed to be about, and from there I can dress them up in my world's context however I want. If it also means more space for more monsters to choose from in the same book, all the better.
James Jacobs wrote: kaid wrote: Well they have a book for undead like this already and are releasing one for dragons and an elemental plane focused ones so one covering fiends/demons seems very possible. Already have one one for elementals (Rage of Elements), and also one for animals/beasts (Howl of the Wild). I suspect we'll continue to do this sort of book too. There will be no shortage of monster flavor. Sadly, they're fiends, so I imagine the flavor is something like truffle oil, or the moment when you bite into an oatmeal chocolate chip cookie only to realize it's oatmeal raisin. :(
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I went back through the PF2 monster entries and found that the level of lore included was, in many cases, above that found in the 3.5 monster manuals. I blame not having a current PF2 game running, and looking back at 3.5 with rose coloured glasses, and getting unlucky when picking random entries to compare. This doesn't mean that I don't want more, stuff like ecology information, common treasure, etc., that has been lost over the years and even stuff from way back like morale ratings, but I will concede that I was wrong about the overall quality of the lore found in the book.
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