If my exemplar Strikes a skeleton with a slashing weapon, and substitutes bludgeoning damage for his Spirit damage with Energized Spark, what happens when resistances and weaknesses are applied?
Let's say, for example that it is a "brittle" skeleton with Weakness 5 to bludgeoning damage and Resistance 5 to slashing damage and my base damage rolls are 13 slashing and 2 bludgeoning.
You're not confusing Energized Spark with Gleaming Blade, are you? Because the weapon's physical damage remains physical, Energized Spark only changes the extra damage that comes in the form of spirit damage to other damage types, but not the weapon's base damage.
You're not confusing Energized Spark with Gleaming Blade, are you? Because the weapon's physical damage remains physical, Energized Spark only changes the extra damage that comes in the form of spirit damage to other damage types, but not the weapon's base damage.
I was thinking of the spirit damage from the 7th-level class ability, Spirit Striking, actually (which is essentially a variation of weapon specialization tailored to better fit the exemplar's interesting abilities).
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13 slashing does 8 after resistance.
2 Bludgeoning does 7 after weakness.
A total of 15 happens.
I don't see anything in Spirit Striking or Energized Spark that would cause it to not work normally.
You're not confusing Energized Spark with Gleaming Blade, are you? Because the weapon's physical damage remains physical, Energized Spark only changes the extra damage that comes in the form of spirit damage to other damage types, but not the weapon's base damage.I was thinking of the spirit damage from the 7th-level class ability, Spirit Striking, actually (which is essentially a variation of weapon specialization tailored to better fit the exemplar's interesting abilities).
But Spirit Striking doesn't change your weapon damage it just adds 2 extra spirit damage points. So if your opponent have some kind of physical resistance to your weapon this resistance still applies to your weapon physical damage value but not to your 2 extra spirit damage (or whatever damage type you choose with Energized Spark except the same that the creature has for resistance. It's the exactly same mechanics of an extra damage of a property rune.
Yes, well if it's all considered one source of damage, rather than two, then things change, doesn't it?
We really need to define "sources" or "instances" of damage.
Otherwise, no one will know for sure how these rules are intended to work.
Currently we use Mark's interpretation from playtest time, How It's Played, and FoundryVTT where each damage type creates a new, separate "instance" to be resolved in IWR.
No one knows if it's official (because Paizo has never said anything officially), but it's currently the least problematic rule regarding IWR because it allows weaknesses and resistances to act separately.
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Yes, well if it's all considered one source of damage, rather than two, then things change, doesn't it?
We really need to define "sources" or "instances" of damage.
Otherwise, no one will know for sure how these rules are intended to work.
Even if it did, that would still be the highest weakness and the highest resistance and have the exact same effect.
Currently we use Mark's interpretation from playtest time, How It's Played, and FoundryVTT where each damage type creates a new, separate "instance" to be resolved in IWR.
No one knows if it's official (because Paizo has never said anything officially), but it's currently the least problematic rule regarding IWR because it allows weaknesses and resistances to act separately.
Yes it does seem to be the simplest way forward.
However when does shield blocking happen?
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Currently we use Mark's interpretation from playtest time, How It's Played, and FoundryVTT where each damage type creates a new, separate "instance" to be resolved in IWR.
No one knows if it's official (because Paizo has never said anything officially), but it's currently the least problematic rule regarding IWR because it allows weaknesses and resistances to act separately.
Yes it does seem to be the simplest way forward.
However when does shield blocking happen?
Since the trigger is when you "would take damage", it must happen after resistance/weakness, its best not to over think how this would look, its a balance/gameification of the mechanic that make it "not over complicated" with recalculating and stuff.
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I agree with Nelzy.
Shield block triggers when you would take physical damage, so after the amount is determined and before you take it.
That would make me just not want to calculate how much and undo that amount of damage each time.
I might put the player in charge of managing how much less their shield should have taken when those types of damage are present in a physical attack they block.