| AnimatedPaper |
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This is the case of thralls IMO. Once that the game doesn't just said "thralls are too stupid to Interact with things" the people will put in question "oh but why my thralls cannot Interact, they can Strike but cannot Interact. This dumb" when probably the idea is to make thrall to work like any zombie that can only bite, scratch or bang the things without any motor coordination and reasoning to do nothing more complex than that and that's strong due they numbers than due their capabilities.
Except that’s not actually the problem you had upthread. The problem was you saw “interact” and wanted it to be “activate”, which is a different activity entirely.
And no, I don’t think thralls are supposed to be ravenous zombie horde or the like, under the necromancer’s control. It’s the difference between thralls and minions, and thralls aren’t minions. Minions have their own will, however suppressed , but thralls are, well, in your thrall. They have no movement, no ability, no needs, wants, or motivations beyond what you explicitly give them, and that does not come cheap. It would be more accurate to describe thralls as physical extensions of your magic and personality than a discreet creature in their own right, one which you control instead of embody.
| The Ronyon |
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It's the idea that they are an extension that makes the idea that they can Interact but they can't make me more effect in mundane tasks, that much more annoying.
As soon as you give me 3 sets of manipulative limbs and tell me they can move X weight Y far, you are multiplying what I can reasonably get done.
Phantasmal Minions "can move and use Interact actions to do things such as fetch objects"
That's about what any apprentice in any trade starts out doing.
Add tireless, unpaid and obedient to your will and you can really get things done.
I love me some Minions, but I'm actually not in favor of giving Thralls the ability to perform ANY Interaction.
In my opinion,Phantasmal Minions and Telekinetic Hand cover the fantasy just fine and they come with a price that makes flooding the dungeon, battlefield or cornfield with them cost prohibitive.
| The Ronyon |
The Ronyon wrote:I'm better off grabbing the old Nobel background and flavoring the retainers as undead servants.Incidentally, there are no retainers that I know of in the game. You might be thinking of a different game but I don't know of any way to get retainers other than picking up some hirelings for between 1 and 5 silver per day, or possibly reflavouring an eidolon or non-animal companion...
Yeah, I keep doing this.
There's many editions of DnD in my head alongside a smaller amount of Pathfinder.Mea culpa.