Protection From Alignment and having a separate entity fully inside the barrier.


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So I'm looking at the Protection From Chaos/Evil/Good/Law spells, and they say they create a barrier that is 1 foot from the creature you cast it on. A Sprite Familiar (but possibly other Diminutive/Fine sized Familiars) are approximately proportional to humans in terms of shape and size, and since they are only 9 inches tall, this means they are definitely less than a foot thick, so if they were in their master's pocket when he casts this spell on himself, what would happen?

I'm going to list more specific questions now, like what happens if an evil summoned creature tries to attack the Sprite when they are inside the barrier of a Protection From Evil spell cast on their master?

Technically, the spell is only supposed to work on the creature it was cast on, but the barrier flat out prevents an evil summoned creature from passing it, unless the master attacks the summoned creature or tries to force the barrier on it, in which case it becomes immune to the barrier.

Okay, maybe that is an obvious one. I would rule on the spot that the Sprite is protected. But now let's say the Sprite shoots their bow at the e.s.c. (evil summoned creature), while benefiting from the barrier. Let's also say the master has NOT attacked the e.s.c. nor tried to force the barrier on it. Does the barrier still work against the e.s.c.?

Another angle, if the barrier protects the Sprite from an e.s.c. despite being cast on the master, do the other protections of the barrier work on the Sprite while they are within the barrier?

I've never had a player, myself included, try this, so I've never had to think about this possibility, but I was looking at spells while considering having a Sprite Familiar, or maybe Guardian Spirit Sprite instead, decided to look at the Protection From Alignment spells, since I often forget exactly what they do, and that's when I thought up of this conundrum.

Liberty's Edge

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First, the subject gains a +2 deflection bonus to AC and a +2 resistance bonus on saves.

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Second, the subject immediately receives another saving throw (if one was allowed to begin with) against any spells or effects that possess or exercise mental control over the creature (including enchantment [charm] effects and enchantment [compulsion] effects, such as charm person, command, and dominate person.
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Third, the spell prevents bodily contact by evil summoned creatures. This causes the natural weapon attacks of such creatures to fail and the creatures to recoil if such attacks require touching the warded creature.

The range of the magical barrier doesn't matter, it protects only the warded creature and his equipment (as long as it doesn't stick too far from his body). Other creatures aren't protected.

Sticking to the text of the spell makes all other questions redundant.

If you and your GM want to play it non-RAW, the one answering your questions should be the GM. I would refer to Magic Vircle against Evil yo decide how it works.


Diego Rossi wrote:
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First, the subject gains a +2 deflection bonus to AC and a +2 resistance bonus on saves.

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Second, the subject immediately receives another saving throw (if one was allowed to begin with) against any spells or effects that possess or exercise mental control over the creature (including enchantment [charm] effects and enchantment [compulsion] effects, such as charm person, command, and dominate person.
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Third, the spell prevents bodily contact by evil summoned creatures. This causes the natural weapon attacks of such creatures to fail and the creatures to recoil if such attacks require touching the warded creature.

The range of the magical barrier doesn't matter, it protects only the warded creature and his equipment (as long as it doesn't stick too far from his body). Other creatures aren't protected.

Sticking to the text of the spell makes all other questions redundant.

If you and your GM want to play it non-RAW, the one answering your questions should be the GM. I would refer to Magic Vircle against Evil yo decide how it works.

It also says in the third effect that if the warded creature tries to force the barrier against the summoned creature, they become immune to it. If they are only effected by the ward when attacking the warded creature, this text would serve no purpose, as it would be redundant. This means that while RAW, you are right, RAI, the intent was they can't get past the barrier at all, regardless of what creature they are specifically attacking.

But again, you are right under RAW, so let's try this: the Sprite Familiar is a weirdo who, instead of hiding in a pocket, hides in the master's mouth (maybe using a Large race instead of Medium if the Sprite wouldn't fit, or maybe a Medium race under Enlarge Person, again, if the Sprite wouldn't fit normally). In order to hit the Sprite, when the master's mouth is open, most creatures would still make some form of bodily contact with the master (who is the warded creature) in the process. Since summoned creatures of prohibited alignment cannot make bodily contact with the warded creature (literally the first sentence of the third effect), this would mean that they can't hit the Sprite, right?

Now, assuming that is true, let's say the Sprite attacks the summoned creature using either their Daze, or Color Spray SLA. Is the barrier still working against the summoned creature or not?

Liberty's Edge

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The protection against contact by summoned creatures ends if the warded creature makes an attack against or tries to force the barrier against the blocked creature.

That means you can't try to push away a warded creature by saying: "I am not attacking it, I am only pressuring it so it needs to move away."

It is to prevent some kind of player from abusing it.

The rules don't cover someone hiding in the mouth of another creature. It falls under the first part of Swallow Whole. The Sprite would be grappled.

Think about it. What kind of creature would have a living entity in his mouth, while in combat, and it free of doing whatever it wants? None.

Do you want a spellcaster to fight with a creature in his mouth?

What kind of cover or concealment do the opponents receive from the sprite attacks?

Color spay is a cone. The first to be hit would be the mouth owner.


The RAW is not designed to cover every scenario, so there is no official answer for your question (as far as i know). Basically we can only figure out a more reasonable interpration, which can be vary for different GM or PL.

Is the barrier protects everything inside, or only the caster? If you think is former, then the answer should be simple.

If latter, then do you think the barrier will block the attacker if they are intended to attack the familiar but not the caster? If you think is yes, then the answer should be simple. If no then you can assume as long as he is capable to reach the familiar without touching the caster, then he can attack it.

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