Green Knight Fluff Description wrote: Some knights serve nature itself and can be found protecting unspoiled natural places or serving fey beings. Order of the Green Edicts wrote: The cavalier knows his place in the natural order and strives to defend the balance of nature. He must be willing to allow nature to take its course, and he must stop all those who would do harm to its delicate balance. He will not tolerate aberrant creatures, undead, or the irresponsible and greedy consumption of natural resources. He may be farsighted and seek to establish agreements that lead to lasting protection of the natural world, but resorts to violence if it is the most effective way to enforce such protection. Order of the Blossom Edicts wrote: The cavalier cannot refuse a fey’s request for aid unless it will interfere with his existing duties, or he believes the fey seeks to directly oppose his other aims and goals. He must strive to prevent gates to the First World from being exploited or corrupted. If the cavalier encounters blighted fey or other corrupted fey, he must strive to destroy them. If you look at the fluff description for Green Knight it says they protect natural places OR serve fey being.
If you look at the Edicts of OotG, it says you protect nature.
If you look at the Edicts of OotB, it says you serve fey.
OotB already existed when the Green Knight Archetype was created, so you can't say it just didn't exist yet, because it did. Yet Green Knight only allows you to have the OotG.
Is this an oversight that has been addressed, or am I being dumb?
it's an archtype that is set as part of a specific order. even if his ideals work long side other orders. he is a green knight of the green order. not just any fey\nature venturing cavalier.
just like the pathfinder prestige classes are meant to be agents of the pathfinders, the mantis assassins working for their cabal or the Aspis agents for Aspis society.
it's not an archtype that is set only by a way of doing things. it's a sect dedicated specifically to this one order.
zza ni wrote: it's an archtype that is set as part of a specific order. even if his ideals work long side other orders. he is a green knight of the green order. not just any fey\nature venturing cavalier.
just like the pathfinder prestige classes are meant to be agents of the pathfinders, the mantis assassins working for their cabal or the Aspis agents for Aspis society.
it's not an archtype that is set only by a way of doing things. it's a sect dedicated specifically to this one order.
The OotG has absolutely nothing to do with Fey though. Even the Green Knight Archetype only deals with Fey in the sense that they supposedly get blessed by Fey powers to have Vorpal on any slashing weapon they use.
There is absolutely no valid reason to say they serve Fey when they don't. And before you say they could still serve Fey non-mechanically, the Archetype says they protect nature OR serve Fey, not both. If they serve Fey without protecting nature, they are breaking their Edicts as a member of the OotG.
The description flat out doesn't work unless they can choose between OotG or OotB. Or maybe be a weird combo of the two like that Cavalier Archetype Sister-in-Arms.
so, first off, fluff is not rules.
Second, Order of the Green is a requirement of the Green Knight Archetype. Both Herolab and the PFSRD seem to back this up, and as such, I'm pretty sure there's no FAQ or Errata about this.
It seems you are trying to read way too much into Fluff.
TxSam88 wrote: so, first off, fluff is not rules.
Second, Order of the Green is a requirement of the Green Knight Archetype. Both Herolab and the PFSRD seem to back this up, and as such, I'm pretty sure there's no FAQ or Errata about this.
It seems you are trying to read way too much into Fluff.
Look, I'll buy that as an answer, but all I'm saying is you shouldn't be allowed to write a description of something if that description is not true. So I'm not at fault for thinking the description they wrote of the class is a description of the class.
Reksew_Trebla wrote: TxSam88 wrote: so, first off, fluff is not rules.
Second, Order of the Green is a requirement of the Green Knight Archetype. Both Herolab and the PFSRD seem to back this up, and as such, I'm pretty sure there's no FAQ or Errata about this.
It seems you are trying to read way too much into Fluff.
Look, I'll buy that as an answer, but all I'm saying is you shouldn't be allowed to write a description of something if that description is not true. So I'm not at fault for thinking the description they wrote of the class is a description of the class. Descriptions are an indication of how an archetype or class is meant to work, but the rules of the archetype can be more strict or loose.
Look to the paladin description:
Quote: Role: Paladins serve as beacons for their allies within the chaos of battle. While deadly opponents of evil, they can also empower goodly souls to aid in their crusades.
Their magic and martial skills also make them well suited to defending others and blessing the fallen with the strength to continue fighting.
Reading it I would think a Paladin should be Good, but I don't see a requirement to be Lawful. I could see a requirement to always be well-recognizable as a follower of his faith and well-visible and recognizable in battle (so always having a surcoat with the church symbol). But the class requires him to be LG and not prohibit disguises or Invisibility.
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