I already asked this question some time ago, but I was not satisfied with the answers so I guess I’ll give another try.
According to the Leadership feat, a monster cohort should advance by taking levels in a key class. A cassisian angel (cohort level 4), however, is a special role monster and has no key class. If it were to advance in level as a NPC, its first 2 class levels would increase its CR by 1 only. Would this apply to its cohort advancement too? Would a cassisian with 2 sorcerer levels be a 5th- or 6th-level cohort?
I already asked this question some time ago, but I was not satisfied with the answers so I guess I’ll give another try.
Do you think reality changes just because you ask a question like "Is the sun green?" enough times?
Meirril answered the question correctly. A cohort, even a monster cohort does not progress as a monster normally progresses, because they aren't progressing in CR but in total character level (normally measured in HD, but monsters often get some adjustment to their effective level before any additional class levels). Every level that the cohort advances, it just gains a single class level, that's it.
I already asked this question some time ago, but I was not satisfied with the answers so I guess I’ll give another try.Do you think reality changes just because you ask a question like "Is the sun green?" enough times?
Meirril answered the question correctly. A cohort, even a monster cohort does not progress as a monster normally progresses, because they aren't progressing in CR but in total character level (normally measured in HD, but monsters often get some adjustment to their effective level before any additional class levels). Every level that the cohort advances, it just gains a single class level, that's it.
Wow. You actually went to seek my old thread.
I didn’t want to hear “the sun is green”. More simply, I thought that, however standing to reason, the answer could be not based on actual RAW and maybe someone could know more. (And I still think it’s not. However, it is based on RAI and it DOES stand to reason). So I honestly told how the thing was.
It is 100% raw within the leadership feat. If it was RAW that you modify the monster to a new CR, it would say so. Instead, it says they get single class levels to add to a total effective character level (which is just a sum of all class levels).
As I said, it stand to reason. I was only in doubt because the feat mentioned “key classes”.
Key class is only a feature relevant to giving monsters NPC classes to raise their CR. You aren't raising CR with cohorts, you're raising total level.
As I said, it stand to reason. I was only in doubt because the feat mentioned “key classes”.its probably because of the websites, but i don't see the "key classes" thing anywhere in the text for the Leadership feat on either d20srd or AoN
it should generally gain a key class level...
This is just reminder text so you don't make your Intelligence 2 Hippogriff cohort a wizard.
So this would mean that non-key classes are not allowed, or at least not recommended?
So this would mean that non-key classes are not allowed, or at least not recommended?
Generally not recommended, often not really even plausible to actually exist (see low Int wizard), at least worth strong consideration as to what the monster is actually gaining/can even use from the class.
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dont forget
Add Class Levels
Once you have determined the creature’s role, it’s time to add class levels. The first step of this process is to modify the creature’s ability scores. Creatures with class levels receive +4, +4, +2, +2, +0, and –2 adjustments to their ability scores, assigned in a manner that enhances their class abilities. Creatures with NPC class levels do not receive adjustments to their ability scores.
Classes marked with a “—” increase a creature’s CR by 1 for every 2 class levels addedit is just not recommended, otherwise the rule won't mention about the CR calculation for non-key class level
And THAT is what made me ask in the first place.