Holy Water no longer works against undead

[Penn]

Looking at Holy Water in GM Core, it has this line:
Holy water can damage only creatures with the unholy trait.

Most undead aren't unholy as far as we know. Am I missing something?
Does it even work to destroy vampires?

[Squiggit]

According to GM core (page 127) "almost all undead are unholy"

We'll have to wait until monster core to see what that looks like.

[Perpdepog]

Right now I'm swapping out Evil for Unholy on all undead statblocks, so the majority should still be affected.

A neat side-effect is that the non-evil undead, who are usually culturally or religiously significant--like the ositure and Irorian mummy--are unaffected by holy water, which feels pretty correct.

[PossibleCabbage]

Yeah, there is the potential edge case of an intelligent undead who, through personal choice and dedication, has made themselves not-unholy (like an ethical vampire, say) wouldn't be damaged by holy water. But people who want to use holy water to harm undead probably aren't that interested in fighting those kinds of undead.

[Fuzzy-Wuzzy]

PossibleCabbage wrote:

Yeah, there is the potential edge case of an intelligent undead who, through personal choice and dedication, has made themselves not-unholy (like an ethical vampire, say) wouldn't be damaged by holy water. But people who want to use holy water to harm undead probably aren't that interested in fighting those kinds of undead.

Pharasmins are. "It's nice that you're nice but still you must go!

[PossibleCabbage]

Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:

PossibleCabbage wrote:

Yeah, there is the potential edge case of an intelligent undead who, through personal choice and dedication, has made themselves not-unholy (like an ethical vampire, say) wouldn't be damaged by holy water. But people who want to use holy water to harm undead probably aren't that interested in fighting those kinds of undead.

Pharasmins are. "It's nice that you're nice but still you must go!

I feel like Pharasma is going to need different tools going forward to fight undead, since IIRC she doesn't allow sanctification of her followers period.

She's important enough that you can just have bespoke stuff for Pharasma though.

[Penn]

Squiggit wrote:

According to GM core (page 127) "almost all undead are unholy"

We'll have to wait until monster core to see what that looks like.

Well that fixes that, thanks. :)

[The Raven Black]

PossibleCabbage wrote:

Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:

PossibleCabbage wrote:

Yeah, there is the potential edge case of an intelligent undead who, through personal choice and dedication, has made themselves not-unholy (like an ethical vampire, say) wouldn't be damaged by holy water. But people who want to use holy water to harm undead probably aren't that interested in fighting those kinds of undead.

Pharasmins are. "It's nice that you're nice but still you must go!

I feel like Pharasma is going to need different tools going forward to fight undead, since IIRC she doesn't allow sanctification of her followers period.

She's important enough that you can just have bespoke stuff for Pharasma though.

Or maybe she dies.