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Good morning everyone!
Over the past couple of days I have had the joy of introducing my friend to pathfinder society play and they've been having a blast. However, one thing they have noticed is that a lot of GM and Players where they play have been using AI art for monsters tokens, character tokens, and presumably backgrounds (for scenes in-between flip-maps). As a group of artists, this is mildly off-putting and off-putting to me as someone who feverously endorses the organized play program. I know paizo has taken a hard stance against AI art in their products and I suppose I am wondering if that applies to tabletops run in their campaign? It certainly has negatively affected a newcomer's experience into getting into the society.
To be clear this is not about AI art in paizo's products but at organized play tables used by players and GMs.
Venture-Agent, Colorado—Denver
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Interesting. Are you sure they're using AI art? I do a lot of Play by Post and use google slides to show the artwork of creatures, items, etc...
The artwork I use is usually from sources around the web that definitely is not AI art. A lot of it are the actual images from rulebooks, sourcebooks, and modules. Both D&D and PF.
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I believe that I understand and fully support artists on the issue of corporations hiring actual artists to provide art for their products.
However, as a private citizen who is looking for art to use in my personal hobby activities for which I make no money and, in fact have to shell out money in the case of GMing Organized Play, I don't believe that either artists or Paizo have any business judging me on my use of AI art for fun.
The people playing and GMing in PFS are just private citizens, not employees, playing their hobby in a format open for anyone to join.
And, to be clear, what I use is by no means prodigious: one of my own PCs here, an NPC there.
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I 100% do not approve of AI art in my games. I try to validate the art I use in game to make sure it is from actual artists, when I have to go outside of the published adventure for such things. I really appreciate the token packs and other game aids for just this purpose. I won't say I can always tell, but I do my best to never knowingly grab an AI art piece for use in my games, OP or not.
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Venture-Agent, Online—VTT
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For the original question, no, there is not any kind of campaign rule dictating what art players and GMs can or cannot use, or requiring that they use any at all. There are people that use AI art heavily, people that avoid using it at all, and people who have no feelings about it one way or the other.
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Interesting. Are you sure they're using AI art? I do a lot of Play by Post and use google slides to show the artwork of creatures, items, etc...
The artwork I use is usually from sources around the web that definitely is not AI art. A lot of it are the actual images from rulebooks, sourcebooks, and modules. Both D&D and PF.
IIRC, one of the foundry importers uses AI art for art that was not provided in scenarios, with an option to turn it off.
I assume that is what this is referring to.
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Thank you everyone so far for responding!
I'm not sure I want to share the images (to spare my friend's privacy incase this somehow was lead back to them) but most are blatantly AI generated. Tbc I am all for GMs using images in-between maps from sourcebooks, dnd, pintrest what have you.
Thank you Hammerjack for giving me that info. Its reasonable that GMs can do what they want and it'll be up to each group to figure out what they're comfortable with.
I actually didn't know there was an AI art foundry importer! That may be a common source. I don't know if that's what this GM was using but it seems likely enough.
Personally at my games and tables AI is a big nono but I can let my friend know it isn't against policy and to maybe avoid those tables if we don't like it in the future. Thanks!
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Personally my line is drawn at my own material. I strictly don't use AI art in my games, images, or tokens. There's always a chance I use it by accident for sure! But its the conscious effort not to that I feel is important.
Luckily I have never had a player show up to one of my tables with AI tokens, I suppose if they did I would simply ask them to replace it for the session (probably providing an alternative option myself if they didnt have one). I wouldn't kick them out or anything.
At the end of the day its not possible to do anything definitively but just kind of what feels right.
Do you also verify that the players own the rights to use any non-AI-generated artwork that they bring?
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Do you also verify that the players own the rights to use any non-AI-generated artwork that they bring?
Its not really about rights :-)
Its more like if they use an artist's art I could (theoretically) tell from a signature or otherwise who made it. I am aware that a ton of people use uncredited art, I have no problem (in general) with it. But at least I know its art from a person who could be credited with its creation. Whereas AI just takes its data from a bunch of different people with little chance for credit.I'm not really here to police art. Just finding my own boundaries with the tech and was wondering if paizo had something similar. Also recounting an uncomfortable experience a new player was having. The fact they don't is also fine! It would be impossible to enforce anyways lmao.
Oh just incase I wasn't clear before, I wouldn't force anyone to change their token/portrait either. I would ask them (and hope they ablige to the table rules) but its not really the end of the world if they don't.