Can Extract Element be used in its current state as RAW


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I've read both the Archive of Nethys entry, as well as my book version (they match) and unless I'm reading it wrong, this ability cannot be used as RAW.

I'm linking the Nethys version here of Extract Element

https://2e.aonprd.com/Classes.aspx?ID=23

It reads that to use Extract Element, the creature must have a trait that matches one of your selected Kinetic Elements, or be made out of one of your Kinetic Elements. Extract Element is an Impuse action, so you would need to be in your Kinetic Aura to use it.

The Success entry for Extract Element reads as such

Success The creature takes half damage, and you add some of its elemental matter to your kinetic aura. Your impulses bypass any immunity the creature has to their elemental trait or traits, and the target takes a –1 circumstance penalty to its saves and AC against your impulses. If the target normally has a resistance that would apply to damage from one of your impulses, ignore that resistance; if it normally would be immune to that damage type, it instead has resistance equal to its level to damage from the impulse. You can't target a creature with Extract Element if elemental matter you extracted from it is already in your kinetic aura. These effects last for 5 minutes or until your kinetic aura ends, whichever comes first.

The second to last line states that you can't target a creature if the element your extracting matches any of your elements that are in your aura. You aura always has all of your available elements in it. So it seems that there is no time where you would be able to extract an element because it both has to be an element in your aura, and an element that is not in your aura.

Any assiatance with this would be helpful, and I know that I could let it work, just trying to figure out if I'm reading the RAW correctly.

Thank you for your time.

Liberty's Edge

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Yeah, it's fine, I think you overlooked the following bit, or perhaps, misinterpreted it:

"You can't target a creature with Extract Element if elemental matter you extracted from it is already in your kinetic aura."

That is saying that you can't use the ability if you already extracted elemental matter from the creature and continue to maintain the ongoing Aura. In other words, in order to do it again you would need to have your Aura fully depleted/dropped in order to do this again.


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Seconded.

A fire kineticist always has fire in their aura. They don't always have fire from that particular fire elemental in their aura.


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So much for draining the elemental three times with three actions. |(

Busy body base-covering developers...


Yeah, the ability refers to "literally the water you drained out of the water elemental" not "water in general." The reason it's worded like this is that if you use an overflow impulse, you need to use extract elements again, but you can't just use it again and again against the same target normally.

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