Does Fluid Form Help you Fight in Tight Spaces


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I understand fluid form lets you pass through small cracks. What about in combat ... does fluid form help you ignore the penalties from squeezing? I pasted the relevant text below....

School transmutation [water]; Level alchemist 4, arcanist 6, investigator 4, psychic 6, sorcerer 6, wizard 6
Casting
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components S, M (a mixture of oil and water)
Effect
Range personal
Target you
Duration 1 minute/level
Description
When you cast this spell, your body takes on a slick, oily appearance. For the duration of this spell, your form can stretch and shift with ease and becomes slightly transparent, as if you were composed of liquid. This transparency is not enough to grant concealment. You gain DR 10/slashing and your reach increases by 10 feet. In addition, you can pass through small holes or narrow openings, even mere cracks, with anything you were carrying at the time the spell was cast (except other creatures). Finally, you can move through water with a swim speed of 60 feet and can breathe both water and air for the duration of this effect. You are treated as if you had the water subtype while this spell is in effect.


Fluid Form

No, I don't think so. The spell gives you the ability to squeeze through things you normally couldn't squeeze through but doesn't say anything about engaging in combat while squeezing through things. You would suffer normal penalties for squeezing. Since the spell does give you DR 10/slashing, I think its fair to say that the devs considered the impact the spell would have on combat and didn't think it modified squeezing while in combat.


no.
as people are wont to say, 'you only get what the spell says you get'.
the second thing is it does not change the target's size(creatures per square) nor does it grant you a feat to do this (which is usually what it takes).

comment: for a 4-6th level spell the effect(+10ft reach!) is ho-hum(4th) to pick-another-spell{terrible}(6th). Long Arm, Spectral Hand, Blink, Reach Metamagic are more effective.


I will add another no vote. The spell allows you to change your shape and to become liquid with all you are carrying, but you still maintain the same mass and basic shape, unless you are squeezing through a hole or crack. Your items are only affected when you want them to be. If they are always affected, you cannot use them especially the weapons.


Suffice it to say, water does not like to be compressed. But even gaseous form doesn't make a comment on reducing/eliminating squeezing penalties, mainly because similarly if you aren't slipping into some tiny space of air, you still try to vaguely take your own form, which when you're squeezing you still don't have room to dodge (-4 AC) or swing your arms for attacks (-4 attack).


AoN search on Squeeze. note the spell Squeeze and Corset.
Compression(Ex) is similar but superior. see Naga Shape, Fey Form, Skinsend.


What about escaping a grapple?

Liberty's Edge

Isle of Gamers PFS wrote:
What about escaping a grapple?

RAW, no, it doesn't say it helps.

For a home game, I could rule that it gives a +10 to the check (like the spell Grease) when trying to escape a grapple (but not when trying to reverse it).

Liberty's Edge

It is reasonable to rule that you can escape automatically, too.

Look Gaseous Form. The text is very similar. It doesn't say that you are immune to grappling, but grappling a gas is hard.

It is the kind of stuff that requires GM input, as the rules don't cover the situation.

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